http://forum.juhlin.com/ This is a role playing game discussion forum for Twilight 2000 and Morrow Project en Sun, 20 May 2012 20:23:19 GMT vBulletin 60 http://forum.juhlin.com/images/misc/rss.jpg http://forum.juhlin.com/ http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3514&goto=newpost Sun, 20 May 2012 16:28:30 GMT I've been having a bit of give and take with one of the players regarding his thermal sight. I know those things are pretty small now, but I always have the image of this guy in my head from the old US Vehicle guide.

Is that thing a thermal sight? And what should I be looking at as a period piece of technology. By which I mean, a 2000 era item envisioned in 1980 something.

Thanks,
Chris ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Chris http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3514 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3513&goto=newpost Sun, 20 May 2012 12:54:55 GMT http://www.nationalww2museum.org/learn/educational-wwii-wargaming/heat-of-battle.html http://www.nationalww2museum.org/lea...of-battle.html ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Cdnwolf http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3513 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3512&goto=newpost Sun, 20 May 2012 10:21:27 GMT I've decided to buck up the courage and post my alternate-timeline for the Twilight games I run. The premise is that WW3 started in 1986 rather than 1996 and my players began the campaighn in the summer of 1990 after everything had gone to hell.

Initialy I kept things to just Europe and sketched a rough timeline to cover events but after a few encouraging words from folks on this bord I decided to expand and create a full setting. I've decided to post my work here so other folks can have a look, maybe take some ideas or help me expand the setting fully.

The Timeline (roughly)

1979:
Some historians claim that WW3 really started in December of 1979, with the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

1980:
Reagan is elected president, his hardline anti-communist stance would lead to some of the key events that resulted in the third world war.

Iraq takes advantage of Iran's growing geo-political isolation and instigate the Iran-Iraq war.

1981:
Failed assassination attempts on both President Reagan and the Pope.

The Russians begin the escalation of military efforts in Afghanistan. Both America and China support the Mujahideen.

Iran-Iraq war leads to a stalemate as Iranian human wave assaults blunt Iraqi offensive efforts combined with problems caused by a overextended Iraqi supply chain.

1982:
CIA agent, William Smith, begins his training/observation mission in Afghanistan

Israel begins conflict with Lebanon following attempted assassination of Ambassador Shlomo Argov and increased terrorist attacks by groups using lebanon as a base.

Falklands war results in a British victory. Military analysts on both sids of the iron curtain are forced to re-evaluate the capabilities of rapid reaction forces in light of the speed and effectiveness of the British respone to the the Argentine invasion.

The Iranians break the stalemate and begin offensive operations against the Iraqis.

Mujahideen recieve tanks and weapons from the Chinese and support from the Americans.

1983:
An Iraq-Soviet arms deal is undercut by the USA as the Reagan administration takes steps to limit Soviet influence in the Middle east. Rather than buying Soviet T72's, the Iraqis aquire 63 American M60's along with F4 Phantoms. The plan backfires as Soviets form an alliance of convenience with the Iranian government and supplies them with the tanks and equipment earmarked for Iraq and conveniantly opening up anothe possible front for the conflict in Afghanistan. The Iran-Iraq war turns into yet another proxy war between east and west.

America launches a succesful operation in Grenada, which is condemned by the USSR as "aggressive imperialism"

1984:
Margaret Thatcher follows Reagan's anti-communist stance which leads to tension between the UK and France as the French government pursues a conciliation policy between east and west.

William Smith is captured by the Soviets in Afghanistan and accused of espionage and gun smuggling, US authorities deny all knowledge and leave him "hanging in the wind". This events triggers a series of events that lead to the third world war as the Soviets take a much more hardline approach in Afghanistan and begin to see it as a conflict directly against the west (and China). Soviets make demands that America acknowledge and cease their involvement in the Afghan conflict, similar demands are made of the Chinese and the USSR begins a major mobilisation.

Reagan wins a second term, taking advantage of current events and promising an increasingly hardline, anti-communist stance.

1985:
William Smith is executed on carges of espionage while the US government continues to deny all knowledge. An unknown source leaks documents to the New York Times that prove Smith was indeed a CIA agent operating in Afghanistan, the scandal rocks the Reagan administration and locks them into an increasingly belligerent anti-communist policy.

Mikhail Gorbachev becomes leader of the Soviet Union and makes it clear that the Soviet Union will no longer tolerate acts of aggression against the USSR or her allies. Private documents discovered after the war indicate that Gorbachev had desires to reform the Soviet Union but was forced to change his goals in the face of external beligerance and internal pressure.

General Jiang Shihong of the PLA instigates operation Jade Phoenix an unauthorised offensive into the Soviet Union. Believing that the Soviets are weak and unready to respond and that China could benefit greatly from a dictated settlement, General Shihong gathered a like-minded coterie of senior officers and devised a plan in which a division under his command would go rogue and attack the USSR. Jade Phoenix was a simple strategy, Shihong expected rapid and deep gains that his allies would put pressure on Beijing to follow up and develop. General Shihong greatly underestimated the Soviets and his attack iwas rapidly crushed by Red Army reserves positioned for just such a possibility, his last communication to headquarters is loosely translated as "Better to ask forgiveness than to beg permission.". The Red Army then counter attacks and punches into Chin with the force of a thunderbolt despite the Chinese government's repeated attempts to disavow General Shihong's attack. When the Red Army deployed chemical weapons, any hopes of peaceful compromise where shattered.
It becomes the Soviet's turn to indulge in underestimation asthe PLA surpass the expectations of all observers ad mobilise reserves to blunt the Red Army and rapidly create a meatgrinder across the front.

Soviet planners decide that the Iran-Iraq war could be useful if Iran could win and secure a puppet regime in Iraq, opening the Iraqi oil reserves to Soviet Exploitation. TheSoviets change the nature of the Iran-Iraq war by mobilising the Transcaucasus front and sending it into Iran to support ther allies against the Iraqis. Mobilisation orders are sent to all Warsaw Pact countries, notifying them that troops wil be needed for mobilisation against the PLA and for possible reinforcement of the Transcaucasus front.
Britain and France quickly respond to protect their Middle East assets and deploy troops. Britain sends two Ghurka battalions, a para battalion and an infantry battalion while France sends the Foreighn Legion operational group. America deploys the 7th special forces group and a ranger battalion.
These forces are deployed around the middle east, however the west is not yet ready to involve itself in the Iran Iraq war directly.

The Iraqis know that without a quick end to the war, the Soviets could crush them before the west intervenes and launches a massive attack into northern Iran.

The West German government recieves a surprise, highly secret delegation from the East German military command. Not wishing to be dragged into conflict in China, the East Germans begin to negotiate a possible reunification.

1986:
The Soviet union undertakes full mobilisation to break the stalemate against China, by mid-year almost all category B divisions are sent to the far east, catergory C divisions are upgraded to B status and mobilisation-only units begin training.

German army formations cross the border and quickly overwhelm Soviet forces with the support of East German units. Reunification is declared and a pre-emptive invasion of Poland is launched. The whole world is taken by surprise at these actions, however by November the Warsaw pact forces in eastern europe are able to regroup and launch punishing counter-attacks forcing the Germans to request NATO assistance. NATO forces in Germany deploy in December and world war three officaly begins.

In the middle east Israel takes pre-emtive masures against Syria to prevent that long-term, pro-Soviet nation taking advantage of Soviet involvement in Iran. The campaighn rapidly becomes bogged down in a stalemate.

The 1st Transcaucasus front comes under the command of General Suryakin who has orders to secure the Persian Gulf, he moves his forces into Northern Iran to meet the Iraqis.

The situation in Germany takes everyone by surprise. America had been reinforcing it'scommitments in Saudi Arabia since the beginning of the year but scales up deployments.

From this point I pretty much use the printed background as it rather folds seamlessly together once hostilities have begun. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum 95th Rifleman http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3512 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3511&goto=newpost Sun, 20 May 2012 07:10:20 GMT Anyone have a source or even just direction on where I can find out what units were based in or created from units in Texas? How can I find all the Reserve/NG/regular units in Texas and what units they REALLY would have been incorporated into T2K wise? I am looking for any/all units with... Anyone have a source or even just direction on where I can find out what units were based in or created from units in Texas?

How can I find all the Reserve/NG/regular units in Texas and what units they REALLY would have been incorporated into T2K wise?

I am looking for any/all units with strong Texas ties...all branches. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum kalos72 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3511 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3510&goto=newpost Fri, 18 May 2012 15:04:14 GMT What follows may be a dumb questions so my apologies in advance if it is! It’s nearly 20 years since I ran any part of the Escape from Kalisz scenario and I’m now wondering if I made some tweaks to the units present when I ran it all that time ago (I certainly didn’t have the NATO vehicle guide at... What follows may be a dumb questions so my apologies in advance if it is! It’s nearly 20 years since I ran any part of the Escape from Kalisz scenario and I’m now wondering if I made some tweaks to the units present when I ran it all that time ago (I certainly didn’t have the NATO vehicle guide at the time).

Essentially I’ve been re-reading the Escape from Kalisz scenario that comes with the v1.0 box set (well technically quickly scan reading it at the moment) and I was wondering if there were any non US troops on the NATO side who were serving with/alongside the 5th ID during the Battle of Kalisz? I don’t mean just individual guides or translators or stragglers who have been incorporated into American units – I’m mean actual units, probably of British, German or Canadian origin.

When I ran the scenario previously my PCs were a mix of Americans and British but I’m now wondering whether I had stretched things in allowing a number of British characters.

Also if there were non US units at the Battle of Kalisz does anyone have details of them?

Thanks,

Mahatatain. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Mahatatain http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3510 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3508&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 02:59:27 GMT Something Web posted in another thread got me thinking again about what civilian law enforcement would look like in the Twilight World, especially here in the States. I wonder what the average quality of civilian law enforcement organizations would be like in the later years of the war (after... Something Web posted in another thread got me thinking again about what civilian law enforcement would look like in the Twilight World, especially here in the States.

I wonder what the average quality of civilian law enforcement organizations would be like in the later years of the war (after the TDM, in particular). In the U.S., I wonder what proportion of law enforcement officers are reservists or National Guard. In the event of WWIII, most of those men and women who are would be called up to active duty. In addition to recalled reservists and activated guardsmen, a lot of younger, patriotic officers, deputies, patrolmen, etc. would likely voluntarily enlist (I don't know if/how the draft would apply to folks in law enforcement). In other words, the creme-de-la-creme would be skimmed off by the armed forces. Who would be left behind?

Furthermore, attrition in large cities, especially ones hit by nukes, would be high for law enforcement and other first responders. As MilGov and CivGov snipe at each other, and organized militia groups like New America step up their violent activities, this attrition would only increase. Just dealing with looters and street gangs would take its toll. Add all of these factors up, and what are you left with? Worst case scenario is that law enforcement in the U.S. c.2000 would be the dregs of its pre-war self. In some spots, orgnanized local government law enforcement might be altogether absent. In others, what serves as law enforcement might be just as bad as the local criminal elements (if not worse).

Currently, here in S. Arizona, a couple of county sheriffs are only a few steps removed from fledgling marauder bosses. Sherriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County (made famous by making county inmates wear pink undies and jumpsuits) is being investigated by the Justice Department for various Civil Rights Law infringements/violations. In some ways, he's only a few short steps removed from a feudal lord. I can only imagine what he'd do if the Feds were distracted by a world war. Just recently, conservative Republlican Sherriff Paul Babeau of Pinal County gave up his run for senate when a illegal immigrant male lover reported that Babeau threatened to have him deported if he left him or told anyone about the affair.

This is a pretty pesimistic projection, I know, but it doesn't seem too far fetched to imagine some parts of the country starting to look like one of the sets from Mad Max.

What do you think? ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Raellus http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3508 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3507&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 02:33:59 GMT Allot of new tv shows coming out, pilots and stuff. These 2 have T2K potential. Info from Grantland. On ABC PERPLEXING: *Last Resort*, from cable capo Shawn Ryan (The Shield, Terriers), is the ballsiest rookie on anyone’s schedule. Starring Andre Braugher as a guy who speaks sternly, it’s a... Allot of new tv shows coming out, pilots and stuff. These 2 have T2K potential. Info from Grantland.

On ABC
PERPLEXING: Last Resort, from cable capo Shawn Ryan (The Shield, Terriers), is the ballsiest rookie on anyone’s schedule. Starring Andre Braugher as a guy who speaks sternly, it’s a high-concept, higher-budget serial about the crew of a rogue nuclear sub who set up a new, deterrent-dangling nation on An Island That Conveniently Looks Like Hawaii. It’s got great credentials, a great cast, and is exactly the sort of all-or-nothing gambit the network drama departments should be trying before sliding into complete procedural irrelevance. So why has Lee beached this thing on Thursdays at 8 p.m.? It’s either savvy counter-programming to CBS and NBC’s sitcoms or a high-stakes game of brinksmanship. One way or another, somebody’s getting blown up.

On NBC
INTRIGUING: Speaking of polar bears, J.J. Abrams has bestowed the Peacock with another big-ticket idea from his brain freezer. Revolution picks up the story of Earth 15 years after all the power went out: The U.S. government has fallen into rebel factions, horses are under more strain than they were on the set of Luck, and people growing food in their backyards in Brooklyn are essential instead of annoying. Despite a recent graveyard of serialized sci-fi stinkers, I think our still-powered world is ready for another mutual obsession, and a little more Giancarlo Esposito is always a good thing. But the biggest red flag here is the sword-and-crossbow-wielding cast, a worryingly white collection of jutting jaws and bland good looks. Total societal breakdown? These pretties would barely survive a Patagonia catalog photo shoot.


Its probably been said before elsewhere, but a tv show i loved was Falling Skies. Not sure if there will be a series 2. But the first series was great. Better than Walking Dead as far as post-apoc goes. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum kcdusk http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3507 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3506&goto=newpost Thu, 17 May 2012 01:42:30 GMT Saw this on Google News: The Army is apparently getting very serious about women in combat arms. How serious? Serious enough that Ranger School may soon start to admit women. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/17/us-usa-women-rangers-idUSBRE84G00820120517 ... Saw this on Google News: The Army is apparently getting very serious about women in combat arms. How serious? Serious enough that Ranger School may soon start to admit women.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84G00820120517

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...1TU_story.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...MBnNK7Jaw9QyOQ

It's coming, gents...... ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Matt Wiser http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3506 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3505&goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 00:09:04 GMT Fellows. I come to you with good news. Another game I have taken and interest in is Fringeworthy. If you have not heard of it follow the link I am going to add and check it out. I purchased the Fringeworthy the Complete set. The CD rom arrived with the Fringeworthy books in PDF format. Now my... Fellows.

I come to you with good news. Another game I have taken and interest in is Fringeworthy. If you have not heard of it follow the link I am going to add and check it out. I purchased the Fringeworthy the Complete set. The CD rom arrived with the Fringeworthy books in PDF format. Now my surprise it included also the 1974 release of the Morrow Project, Invasion USA, and Rogue 417.

There is background material there to flesh out your Campaigns. One item.

There is MP background material on Bruce and the Project and members of the Presidents Cabinet compare notes.

Invasion USA is almost like the long lost Soviets Supplement. ]]> Morrow Project/ Project Phoenix Forum ArmySGT. http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3505 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3504&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 20:50:14 GMT hey all,

not sure how many of you check out tanknet but there's a longstanding 1989 NATO Order of Battle thread which is updates to Andy Johnson's 1989 NATO Order of Battle (originally posted on orbats.com).

Pat Callahan, the main architect of the updates has recently uploaded version 8.5 of the order of battle.

tanknet thread
http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.p...c=20414&st=760

pat callahan's site, look for the NATO and WP links at the left side
www.microarmormayhem.com ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum boogiedowndonovan http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3504 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3503&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 18:43:40 GMT This is something I do not remember anyone discussing. Right now, you can not purchase the anti-biotic Tetracycline. There are several versions of WHY this is.... 1) Recall by manufactorer 2) Lack of raw materials 3) Cost of drug vs income This is not the only drug currently unavailable. This is something I do not remember anyone discussing.

Right now, you can not purchase the anti-biotic Tetracycline. There are several versions of WHY this is....

1) Recall by manufactorer
2) Lack of raw materials
3) Cost of drug vs income

This is not the only drug currently unavailable.

So this leads to my questions:

OT:

1) What, if anything, have you done to prepare for catastrophe as far as prescription drugs you or a loved one needs? My wife is an insulin using Type II diabetic. There are oral medications that can help, and yes, I have about a 60 day supply on hand if things go BANG. She also has many strange and interesting allergies. Tetracycline is one of the very few anti biotics she can use.

2) What, if anything, have YOU heard about these shortages and the whys and wherefores?

GAME:

1) Have you played the shortage of drugs in your games?

2) What was the result?

My $0.02

Mike ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum mikeo80 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3503 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3502&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 15:01:45 GMT Not to start a riot but... Is it me or does most of the data about Mexico imply a MUCH weaker military then they should have had coming into the invasion? Also, no navy/airforce/marines data is available that I found. Not to start a riot but...

Is it me or does most of the data about Mexico imply a MUCH weaker military then they should have had coming into the invasion?

Also, no navy/airforce/marines data is available that I found. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum kalos72 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3502 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3501&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 14:08:56 GMT I’m in the process of setting up a new face to face T2k campaign and I’m considering using the original version 1.0 setting background (the one which starts in 1995) rather than the version 2.2 setting that incorporates the collapse of the Soviet Union. My question is therefore whether anyone has... I’m in the process of setting up a new face to face T2k campaign and I’m considering using the original version 1.0 setting background (the one which starts in 1995) rather than the version 2.2 setting that incorporates the collapse of the Soviet Union. My question is therefore whether anyone has had a go at filling in the v1.0 background for the years 1985 to 1994 to work out which real events fit in this timeline and, more importantly, which don’t.

The most obvious events (off the top of my head) that won’t have occurred are:
- the collapse of the Soviet Union and other communist regimes
- the re-unification of Germany
- the end of the Cold War
- the reduction in the size of the British Army

I’m sure that there will be more than this so I was wondering if anyone had thought about this already and had written something up on it?

Thanks for any constructive thoughts and comments.

Mahatatain. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Mahatatain http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3501 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3500&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 02:03:33 GMT One of the things that I didn't like about Airlords when I read it was the assumption that the PCs would get captured and then stage a breakout(s) from the LC camp and lead a big rising. Did anyone who ran/played this mod do it that way? Did anyone come up with some other ideas?

While I liked that T2k modules usually had lots of leeway for GMs to make up their own stuff, a map of the airship parking area would have been really useful here.

As I'm sure I've said elsewhere, I'm likely to run a 1918 version of this somewhere in eastern Europe, or Siberia, or the Caucasus. Hmm, I just had a thought, a 1918 version in the Ozarks would be fascinating.... Or a Prohibition-era one, with New American racist/fascists funded by aerial rumrunning? ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Adm.Lee http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3500 http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3498&goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 00:43:55 GMT Recent events have demanded that the board moderators move to take action in order to restore and preserve the atmosphere of civility and constructive dialogue that we strive to maintain here on this forum. This action is based on multiple complaints that we have received from multiple users over... Recent events have demanded that the board moderators move to take action in order to restore and preserve the atmosphere of civility and constructive dialogue that we strive to maintain here on this forum. This action is based on multiple complaints that we have received from multiple users over the past 60 days. Public and private warnings to the parties in question have been issued and ignored. Therefore, more stringent action was called for. This decision has been a lengthy, diffilcult, and unpleasant one for us to make, and this action has not been taken lightly.

After much consideration and deliberation, myself, Webstral, and Headquarters have decided to take the following administrative actions:

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Any violations of this temporary ban will result in a lifetime ban. ANY attempts to circumvent this ban, including but not limted to reregistering under a pseudonym or using another user's account to post in the forum, will result in a lifetime ban from this forum and/or its future itterations.

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At the end of this 30-day period, this public notice will be deleted from the forum.

If you have questions or concerns about these actions, please don't hesitate to PM me. However, please understand that these decisions are final. ]]> Twilight 2000 Forum Raellus http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=3498