Original SoD Question

[kalos72]

So in my game, the original Secretary of Defence from the last duly elected President Tanner is still alive.

Would he be able to come back in 1998, after the RUMP Congress and claim the Presidency or is it since a Congress was held, legitimate or not, he loses the line of succession?

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by kalos72

So in my game, the original Secretary of Defence from the last duly elected President Tanner is still alive.

Would he be able to come back in 1998, after the RUMP Congress and claim the Presidency or is it since a Congress was held, legitimate or not, he loses the line of succession?

Wow! Talk about a rough one!

First hurdle is, was Congress properly elected? Unless it can be proven that they were elected prior to Washington getting nuked or appointed by a properly elected governor to fill an empty seat, then a census most be conducted so that the congressional seats can be properly apportioned and elections held. But as canon has stated, there were 'issue's with the new Congress.

Based on this, SoD can claim to be the next in line of succession, but getting "Congress" to agree could well intensify the Milgov/Civgov fighting.

[Olefin]

Actually the one issue with the Twilight Timeline is that frankly the line of succession part of it is completely and totally wrong. First off the Secret Service would have never allowed the Vice President to stay in the White House with an incoming nuke - they would have knocked her out and carried her out if they had to. Second in a time of war there is no way that the third in line to the presidency would have been allowed to be out of touch in any way - especially after the nukes started flying in Europe and Asia.

And third and the biggest of all - as anyone who has seen Battlestar Galactica knows - there is a long line of people who can assume the Presidency - thus there is no way that there would have been no President - it would take a nuclear attack that would have basically killed off 99 percent of the population to get to that point

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Actually the one issue with the Twilight Timeline is that frankly the line of succession part of it is completely and totally wrong. First off the Secret Service would have never allowed the Vice President to stay in the White House with an incoming nuke - they would have knocked her out and carried her out if they had to. Second in a time of war there is no way that the third in line to the presidency would have been allowed to be out of touch in any way - especially after the nukes started flying in Europe and Asia.

And third and the biggest of all - as anyone who has seen Battlestar Galactica knows - there is a long line of people who can assume the Presidency - thus there is no way that there would have been no President - it would take a nuclear attack that would have basically killed off 99 percent of the population to get to that point

Two things first I agree with you about the Secret Service, but kind of sort of disagree about the line of succession. In the real world it is only eighteen people long (or 17 right now as one is not a natural born), where as in Battlestar Galactica she was 43rd. We run out of official candidates at 18 if they are all filled, and even though they would not likely let the top 3/4 of them be round the same place I could very easily see lots of them in just a couple locations. Just thinking to a couple of episodes of Madam Secretary that I have seen they have had the President and something like five or six of the Secretaries, if this was to happen at the same time that they were having a joint meeting of the House and Senate the VP would be there and I may be wrong but I do not see either of these being objected to. Taking out these two locations would take out around 10 of the 18 maybe one or two more. Then losing the other six to eight with all the nukes going off would not be that hard to think could happen. But if you do not get them all then I would expect the line to be refilled in very short order.

[Olefin]

There were sixteen at the time of the war - but the wording also opened up the possibility of deputies who had been appointed by Congress. Frankly the whole "no one wants to be President" part of the timeline was just way way too convenient a way to break up the US - and considering how CivGov came into being I could see any actual military command structure saying no way am I turning power over to a govt that was stretching being a legal one past the breaking point

[Legbreaker]

While unlikely the events of the game timeline would occur, it's not impossible as CDAT has detailed. It's a case of a series of bad choices and enemy action coupled with fate and luck colluding to screw things up more than usual.

Now, back to the OP. I don't know enough about the US succession requirements to accurately comment, however I do see the SoD either being used as a figurehead to bolster one sides legitimacy over the other, or even a third side forming around them.

The potential for chaos is breathtaking!

[CDAT]

Originally Posted by Olefin

There were sixteen at the time of the war - but the wording also opened up the possibility of deputies who had been appointed by Congress. Frankly the whole "no one wants to be President" part of the timeline was just way way too convenient a way to break up the US - and considering how CivGov came into being I could see any actual military command structure saying no way am I turning power over to a govt that was stretching being a legal one past the breaking point

OK there were sixteen, it does not matter about the deputies as they are not in the line of succession. When one of those sixteen dies if congress does not confirm their replacement as secretary they are not in the line, even if congress had already confirmed them as the under secretary.