Prime Base Security

[dragoon500ly]

How to protect Prime Base has been spoken on several threads. The purpose of this thread is to bring together these threads and determine a workable security plan.

EXTERNAL

The module doesn't mention any external security other than the debris covering the entrance modules. IMHO, Prime doesn't require any bunkers defending these hatches, their concealment is their best protection until Prime goes active.

The primary external defense of Prime lies in the hands of Combined Team NP-5. This team consists of the following:

NP-50 Command Team: 5 personal in a V-150 APC

NP-51 MARS Team: 12 personnel with a V-150/25mm and a V-150 Mortar Carrier

NP-52 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 2 V-150/HMG, GAL

NP-53 MARS Team: as NP-52

NP-54 MARS Team: as NP-52

NP-55 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 3 V-150/TOWs

NP-56 Recon Team: 12 personnel with 3 HMMWV/HANgs

Recon Teams NP-57, NP-58 and NP-59: as NP-56

NP-60 Engineering Team: 20 personnel with 2 V-150 APCs, 2 5-ton Dump Trucks with trailers, 2 M-9 DEVs

The intent is to provide a Recon presence to cover the approaches to Prime, backed up with a large enough MARS presence to deter hostile forces. The team caches are loaded with ammunition, demolitions, heavy weapons and Medical supplies. NP-5 does not have the mission of assisting survivors. Instead they will direct survivors towards refugee camps that will be set up some 150 miles to the northeast. The refugee camp will be operated by another combined group.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

The primary external defense of Prime lies in the hands of Combined Team NP-5. This team consists of the following:

Needs Arty and cavalry.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-50 Command Team: 5 personal in a V-150 APC

More..... Split them into two V-150 command vehicles.... raised roof..... 4 to 6 radios..... a commander and subordinate commander. Add two V-150 or Ranger Ambulances.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-51 MARS Team: 12 personnel with a V-150/25mm and a V-150 Mortar Carrier

Not enough seats for 12. Add a XR-311 to run for chow and get Team Leaders to OPs and staff call. Add a V-150 recovery to assist with battle damage.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-52 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 2 V-150/HMG, GAL

GAL? Good enough.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-53 MARS Team: as NP-52

Stinger team?

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-54 MARS Team: as NP-52

FO?

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-55 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 3 V-150/TOWs

Need a support vehicle. TOW racks take up alot of internal volume as does the 25mm turret basket. XR-311 or M35A3.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-56 Recon Team: 12 personnel with 3 HMMWV/HANgs

HAAM suits? Take all the advantages you can. If your that near Prime then the special tehnicians are near enough too.
also why not the commando scout too?

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Recon Teams NP-57, NP-58 and NP-59: as NP-56

Needs a stinger team maybe two.

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

NP-60 Engineering Team: 20 personnel with 2 V-150 APCs, 2 5-ton Dump Trucks with trailers, 2 M-9 DEVs

armored ammo trailer to haul demo...... XR-311 for light duty and a SEE or backhoe.... maybe a wheeled excavator......

Air team with one OH-6 cayuse... need a speedy air scout.

[dragoon500ly]

This is what I get for typing something on a Kindle!

With ArmySGT kind contributions!

Combined Group NP-5 consists of the following:

NP-50 Command Team: 15 personnel with two V-150 command and two V-150 APCs.

NP-51 MARS Team: 20 personnel with V-150/25mm, two V-150/81mm, two
V-150 APCs converted into ammo carriers.

NP-52, NP-53, NP-54 MARS Teams; each with 18 personnel, two V-150/25mm, two V-150 HMG/AGL

NP-55 MARS Team; 18 personnel with one V-150/25mm, three V-150/TOWs,
2 V-150 APCs converted into ammo carriers.

NP-56, NP-57, NP-58, NP-59 Recon Teams: 20 personnel with four HMMWVs carrying HMGs or AGLs

NP-60 Engineering Team: 20 personnel with two V-150 APCs w/trailers, two 5-ton dump trucks w/trailers, one M-9 CEV, one SEE

NP-61 Communications Team: 8 personnel with two V-150 APCs

NP-62 Medical Team: 12 personnel with V-150 APC, three V-150 Ambulances

NP-63 Aviation Team: 14 personnel with two HMMWV/HMG, 2 5-ton trucks, 2 Autogyros

The intended "purpose" of NP-5 is to serve as a control point for refugees fleeing California. They are to monitor the refugees and direct them to the refugee center being set up to the northeast. Only the CO and XO of NP-5 are aware that the real mission is to monitor movement around the location of a "secret base" and to undertake such measures as deemed necessary to protect this base.

I decided not to go with a HAAM Suit team, as I wanted to make it appear to a hostile intelligence that this was simply a combined group "protecting" a refugee camp.

[dragoon500ly]

I, needless to say, have several issues with the Prime Base module, especially with the Base Commander's decision to reach out assist survivors. This after all, is Prime Base! The headquarters of a nation-wide project dedicated to helping rebuild civilization!! So, lets crack open the doors and try to support refugees and disregard the rest of the Project...not a very bright idea! Perhaps the greatest failure of the module is that it tries to make the base smaller then it should, all alone in the desert. Prime Base, by its very nature should have external teams to perform the assist mission, as well as MARS teams to defend the most critical part of the Project!

I've already posted my views on external protection with Combined Group NP-5, now for....

INTERNAL

The Prime Base Module (hereafter PBM) describes a blockhouse to one side of the base that houses a decontamination facility that walks the team though several points and leaves them, minus their equipment (unless they sneak it through the decon process), and wearing only underwear, orange coveralls and tennis shoes, facing a security checkpoint. Once clearing security, the team enters a entry tunnel.

The entry tunnel is described as running directly from the decon facility to Level One in the Operations tunnel. The tunnel is 100 meters in length, for its first 30 meters, the floor slopes down at a steepish angle with a total drop of two meters. For the next 70 meters, the tunnel slopes gradually upwards for a meter so that the tunnel finishes up at the entrance to Ops, roughly 51 meters underground. The tunnel has a width of 2.6 meters and the height averages 2.5 meters.

The intent of this is to force people to walk the length of tunnel and allow them to be visible form Post One in Ops for the final 70 meters of their travel. The slope also prevents anyone from rolling something unpleasant into Post One.

Post One sits at the end of the entry tunnel and is the first part of the Security Complex that guards this entrance.

In PBM,the post has a wall facing the tunnel, described as ahving windows set at waist height and running almost to the ceiling (made of bulletproof glass/Lexan some 4-inches thick) and with the lower portion of the wall fronted with armor plate sufficient to provide protection from .50 HMG fire as well as hand grenades.

Mounted below the windows are two remote-controlled machine gun turrets, each mounting two GPMG and covering the exposed portion of the tunnel.

[dragoon500ly]

Issues and modifications..

The only issues I have with the tunnel is that I would include steel grills at 2-3 points on the final "uphill" leg, these of course, can be used to block movement forward. I would also install roof and floor mounts for Claymore mines, just for those special moments,

For Post One, I disagree with the window portion, I would go with portholes and armor the entire front to withstand LAW/RPG fire.

As for the gun turrets, replace one GPMG with a laser or flamethrower.

[dragoon500ly]

Throughout PBM, we have very little breakdown concerning exactly who was stationed in Prime Base. While I do understand that with the people dying, it is a moot point, but still...

As written, PBM has three cylinders, in discussions on this board, it has been pointed out that a five cylinder base would be better able to provide the support needed for a national base.

I would propose a MARS Team for each cylinder, numbering in the 20-30 personnel range and charged with providing the necessary security, they can also have a secondary function as the fire service, in needed.

In addition, I would place a MARS Team equipped with HAAM Suits (12-18 strong) as well as an Aviation Team equipped with 4 AH-1 Cobras. I normally don't go with the Morrow Air Force concept, but because this is Prime Base, there may arise a need for dedicated air support. I went with Cobras because they are available in several countries and thus more likely for a international arms dealer (part of Morrow Industries, of course) to lay their hands on.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

I would propose a MARS Team for each cylinder, numbering in the 20-30 personnel range and charged with providing the necessary security, they can also have a secondary function as the fire service, in needed.

In addition, I would place a MARS Team equipped with HAAM Suits (12-18 strong) as well as an Aviation Team equipped with 4 AH-1 Cobras. I normally don't go with the Morrow Air Force concept, but because this is Prime Base, there may arise a need for dedicated air support. I went with Cobras because they are available in several countries and thus more likely for an international arms dealer (part of Morrow Industries, of course) to lay their hands on.

You don’t really need the MARS Team to act as a fire service, I would do this for base security

1. For the Fire Service have three full time firefighters, they conduct fire safety inspections and train the base's auxiliary fire unit. Remember the MARS team will trying to keep the base secure and if a fire starts because of an attack the MARS has stop the attack not fight fires.

2. Medical, have base personel trained as first responders this will reduce the need of large ammounts of medical personal. Prime would a small medical clinic that would have trained staff. First responders stabilize and transport an injured party there.

3. Engineering Team, Communications Team, Artillery, and APC’s? It’s a security force not a mechanized combined arms team. All those items and teams are needed if you’re planning to run a mission with a MARS team outside of the base but you’re not right? You would a few guys trained in demolitions for breaching operations maybe, but a dump trucks an M-9 CEV and a SEE? Why? Also why a Stinger team? Who has unfriendly air assets?

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly:75178

Aviation Team equipped with 4 AH-1 Cobras. I normally don't go with the Morrow Air Force concept, but because this is Prime Base, there may arise a need for dedicated air support. I went with Cobras because they are available in several countries and thus more likely for an international arms dealer (part of Morrow Industries, of course) to lay their hands on.

Will you can also go for Bell UH-1 Iroquois or Bell UH-1N Twin Huey, which is a commonly used aircraft by military and civilians you can add an Armament Subsystem if needed.

Remember if add vehicles and aircraft you’re going to have to add service personnel and a means to rapidly launch them too. Think a batcave set up for ground vehicles and an airwolf set up for aviation. You will also need workshop space for maintenance

[tsofian]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

How to protect Prime Base has been spoken on several threads. The purpose of this thread is to bring together these threads and determine a workable security plan.

EXTERNAL

The module doesn't mention any external security other than the debris covering the entrance modules. IMHO, Prime doesn't require any bunkers defending these hatches, their concealment is their best protection until Prime goes active.

The primary external defense of Prime lies in the hands of Combined Team NP-5. This team consists of the following:

NP-50 Command Team: 5 personal in a V-150 APC

NP-51 MARS Team: 12 personnel with a V-150/25mm and a V-150 Mortar Carrier

NP-52 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 2 V-150/HMG, GAL

NP-53 MARS Team: as NP-52

NP-54 MARS Team: as NP-52

NP-55 MARS Team: 18 personnel with a V-150/25mm, 3 V-150/TOWs

NP-56 Recon Team: 12 personnel with 3 HMMWV/HANgs

Recon Teams NP-57, NP-58 and NP-59: as NP-56

NP-60 Engineering Team: 20 personnel with 2 V-150 APCs, 2 5-ton Dump Trucks with trailers, 2 M-9 DEVs

The intent is to provide a Recon presence to cover the approaches to Prime, backed up with a large enough MARS presence to deter hostile forces. The team caches are loaded with ammunition, demolitions, heavy weapons and Medical supplies. NP-5 does not have the mission of assisting survivors. Instead they will direct survivors towards refugee camps that will be set up some 150 miles to the northeast. The refugee camp will be operated by another combined group.

You have a total of five MARS teams. I would agree but would go with a different team composition.

Three Teams with 3XV300 (or LAV 25) APC with 25mm turrets and dismountable troops, so 18 dismountable MARS team members per team

One team with 3XV150 with TOW

One Team with 3XV150 mortar carriers

This gives three maneuver elements (both mounted and dismounted) a base of indirect fire and a base of direct fire AT fire. The TOWS can be distributed instead of being kept together. The 81mm mortars will be of tremendous value in the rugged mountains that surround Prime Base.

Each of the Teams includes a Stinger Missile Team as a basic load out for one of the team members.

I have never been a MARS 1 fan but I can FINALLY see a possible role for one, if the concept and its armament is changed.

First strip out all the fixed weapons except the claymores. The fixed MGs and mortars don't make any sense at all in any way. This leaves a pod, four large turrets and the small forward mortar turret.

The flame guns don't make any sense either so they can go. The vehicle will now be optimized for indirect fire. I'd replace the flame turrets with 120mm indirect fire mortars turrets (developed right at the end of the 1980s). http://www.military-today.com/artill...tar_system.htm

Keep the pod and replace the weapons with FOG-M fiber optically guided missiles. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/efogm/ These don't have the range of Maveric, but outrange TOW. The Bolt Rocket's should be discarded and Stingers should be always available.

This gives a total of 1X81mm mortar, 2X120mm Mortars, 2 autocannon turrets (perhaps have these with a 25mm and a 7.62mm or a cannon and Stinger pods and a large pod with FOG-M and possibly Stingers.

This changes the roll to a platform with a lot of indirect fire weapons capable of hitting targets within 15 or so KM up to and including aircraft and armor. I'm still not a big fan but the strange armament mix of the original is really hard to explain.