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I was in slidell, LA a few years back. that was were they were going mass produce the Stingray tank. production was to be up 25 per month. Now the hard part would be the 105mm cannons. Does anyone know about a tank planet that ran in the 80's in CA. Camdon AR also makes the M270 MLRS. this could be converted to M2/3 production. what about the Cat and John Deer production lines. the last two would not make "front line" weapons, but second line would be do able and spare parts would not be a problem they had shipped them all over the world. I think Henry rifles could change into production (a few hundred a month maybe more) of more modern designs. does anyone know how many armored car companies there are (the bank kind and the VIP SUVs types). how about 3/4 or 1 ton trucks production with M40 106mm. As older tanks take the field these will become usable, along with say Gatling (20mm? 12.7, 7.62, or 5.56) twin 50 cals with side good RHA would be a great gun truck. |
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thank you for the info, but i was thinking about getting away from the TOW and moving more to thinking of arming them with laser guided Hellfires. the GLID or other laser designatetor that might be usable. the link from Tank Encyclopedia on the Mahmia tank gave me some.... ideas http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/mo...ia/t-72_mahmia |
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a Light would be AV 1 on every location BUT the engine compartment. The engine compartment is UNARMORED (unless an AV 2 bumper guard is installed at the front). a Squat/Y Body would have AV 2 on the cargo box and AV 1 on the driver's compartment (NIJ Level 3A Kevlar panels in the doors and NIJ Level 3A Lexan windows). The engine compartment is UNARMORED (unless an AV 2 bumper guard is installed at the front). a B Body would have AV 2 on the passenger and cargo compartments and NIJ Level 3 (rifle) Lexan windows (AV 2) on a 1-3 (1D10) or NIJ Level 3A (AV 1) on 4-10 (1D10). The engine compartment will have NIJ Level 3A side panels under the fiberglass hood on a 1-5 (1D10) and NIJ Level 2 armored mesh over the front of the radiator (AV 1/2). B Bodies seldom have pushbars/bumper guards because the hood opens forward to the front and they can interfere with the opening of the hood. a Super B will have AV 2 armor everywhere but the hood. The hood will be MADE of Kevlar at NIJ Level 3A (AV 1) in order to save weight. They also have a large "mesh guard" over the radiator that ups the AV to 2 on frontal hits. Push guards are seldom fitted because the hood opens forward and a guard could interfere with opening the hood. Run Flat Tires: Unlike military run-flats, these will only reduce the severity of a hit by one level (ie a Major hit becomes a Minor hit) for 100km. After that, the tire must roll OVER its Wear Value or fail. Self Sealing Fluid/Fuel Systems: These will reduce an engine or fuel hit by one level just like run-flats above. The engine sealing system will allow the engine to run for 100km or 30 minutes on a Major hit and the engine will run for 10 minutes on a Destroyed hit IF a roll OVER its Wear Value succeeds. |
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and we know that bank armored cars are being used as APC's by several groups - the Florida module has New America using them as APC's, the NJ article in Challenge has Milgov using them also as armored cars
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The "big three" armored car builders are: LENCO Armoring of Pittsfield MA MCT of Memphis TN (primary builder of Brinks "B bodies") Texas Armoring of San Antonio TX (primary builder of GARDA "Y bodies" and both GARDA and LOOMIS "B bodies") The most common types of Commercial Armored Cars are: Lights: Built on E350/3500 vans, these weigh between 9,000 and 12,000 pounds and are armored to NIJ Level 3A. They will have no more than 2000lbs of cargo capacity and are primarily used in cities. The Dodge Sprinter is also included in this class of vehicle. These vehicles are not very durable. "Y" Bodies: These trucks are built on 11/2 ton to 2 1/2 ton frames. They run as high as 20,000lbs GVW. They will run NIJ Level 3A in protection, require a DOT medical card to drive and can carry up to 3000lbs. They are not as common as "B" bodies but are more common than Lights. "B" Bodies: The most common armored car in the US. Unlike "Y" bodies, which may be called by other names/designations, EVERYONE calls these trucks "B" Bodies. They were created by Brinks DECADES ago and are the most common truck seen in movies as well as on the road. They are built on the same chassis that the Army's 5-Tons commercial and school buses are (yes, school bus chassis are REALLY tough). The majority are armored with Aluminum armor to NIJ Level3 (rifle). The Loomis truck that rescued the wounded in LA's 44 Minute Shootout shrugged off several 7.62mm X 39mm rounds during the incident. Windows are often downgraded to NIJ Level3A to save money. I'd say 6 in 10 "B" bodies have 3A windows. The truck maxes out at 26,000 lbs (to stay under CDL requirements) with a 5,000lb cargo capacity. "Super B" Armored Cars: These "stretched B Bodies" are about 4ft longer than a "B" and exceed 30,000lbs (making them Class B CDL trucks). They are NIJ Level3 (rifle) and used as FED pickup trucks or in high threat environments (like LA and Detroit). It is standard practice for these vehicles to be equipped (at least initially) with run-flat tires, and self-sealing coolant systems which allow the vehicle to escape a kill zone with the tires or radiator shot up. Many will be equipped with armored push bars over their grills and gun ports too. Those are the most commonly encountered commercial armored cars I encountered during my 10-year stint with Great Lakes Armored (now Loomis) and Fidelity Armored (no longer in business...like 99% of small armored car companies after the 2008 Collapse). You can GOOGLE the armored car companies for more info. They often have a selection of used vehicles to choose from. |
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The USSR kept a load of their old stuff in store. Like war era stuff.
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Soviets were producing new 85mm AP for Yugoslavia, North Korea, and maybe Eritrea right up to the collapse. For T-34s and ASU - 85s. |
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One of the sites I've looked at is Alpine Armoring, since they have a chart of what their ratings translate to (in caliber and number of rounds it's designed to resist), an inventory of available vehicles, and a list of what vehicles they do with the range of armoring options. There are probably others with similar information, but they were the first I found.
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One of the weak links in getting up to speed as to production would be that you would need to get more welders certified to weld armor for tanks and heavy vehicles. We were always doing that at BAE as production ebbed and flowed during the time I was there - I asked someone there about what happened when they started building MRAP's and they said how they had had to go on a crash training program to meet production and had to bring a lot of guys out of retirement to meet the goals
you can train people up but it takes time - and that would figure into any quick ramp up on armored vehicles as to running around the clock - BAE ran three shifts to get the MRAP's built that the military was screaming for in Iraq - with the third shift being a lot of maintenance and detail work but we added a complete production shift in a matter of weeks - with many of the guys doing it either being retired and brought back to train new guys or guys who had used to be on the line and then shifted back to get the second shift up and running |
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The Canadian army had the same issue when it deployed tanks to Afghanistan. What it did was bring Navy Hull Welders. So maybe you see welders brought in from some civilian ship yards, with the war on the demand for cruise ships and some other ships types would be down. The navy not going to need everybody
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This list is I think a fairly complete list of US (and Canadian) vehicle production facilities. I also have had way to much time on my hands over the past two days!!
Tanks The U.S. currently only builds the M1 Abrams, and has only active tank plant at Lima Ohio. The Lima plant is run by General Dynamics and hasn't built any new tanks since the mid-1990's. However General Dynamics rebuilds and refurbishes the M1 Abrams to such a degree that they are practically new tanks. The Detroit Arsenal Tank Plant was closed in 1996. Some of the plant was sold to the city of Warren, but the U.S. Army still occupies part of the facility and uses it for a variety of armored warfare research and development purposes. Plant equipment needed to produce tank components were removed to the Anniston Army Depot in Alabama. . Anniston Army Depot is a U.S. Army facility. Its main function has been a munitions storage facility since the end of the Second World War, but it is also capable of rebuilding and repairing the M1 Tank and its principal components. General Dynamics has a large industrial presence within Anniston, as does Honeywell who builds/rebuilds/refurbishes the M1 gas turbine engine. The Stryker wheeled fighting vehicle are also sent to Anniston by General Dynamics for final assembly and overhaul. If the U.S. ever goes on a war footing expect Anniston to be building tanks alongside Lima. Tank Assembly Plant Anniston, Alabama (U.S. Army/General Dynamics) Detroit, Michigan (U.S. Army) (* Closed) Lima, Ohio (General Dynamics) Armoured Vehicles U.S. armoured vehicles are currently built/rebuilt by General Dynamics, Textron and British owned BAE. General Dynamics (LAV-25, M1120 Stryker), Textron (M117), BAE (AAV-P7, M2/M3 Bradley, M113, M109). Except for the Stryker few if any of these vehicles are currently being built, with other work concentrating on rebuilds and supplying components. Engines are supplied by Caterpillar, Cummins and Detroit Diesel. Armoured Vehicle Assembly Plant Anniston, Alabama (U.S. Army/General Dynamics) Ladson, South Carolina (General Dynamics) London, Ontario Canada (General Dynamics) Slidell, Louisiana (Textron) York, Pennsylvania (BAE) MRAP's for U.S. forces are built by General Dynamics, BAE, Oshkosh and Navistar. General Dynamics (Buffalo, Cougar), BAE (Caiman, RG-33), Oshkosh (M-ATV) Navistar (MaxxPro). MRAP's are built at the armoured vehicle assembly plants or at commercial heavy vehicle assembly plants. Other companies also build MRAP's and police armoured vehicles such as Textron, Lenco, Texas Armoring, MCT and INKAS in Canada, but excluding Textron they are custom builders and not manufacturers. MRAP engines are supplied by Caterpillar, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, Mack and Navistar. Heavy Support Vehicles The major suppliers of large trucks and engineer vehicles to U.S. forces are Caterpillar (CAT D9, CAT 277), BAE (M9 ACE, M88), John Deere (John Deere 850J, TRAM 624K), Oshkosh (FMTV series, HEMTT series, HET) and Terex (TX51-19M). The M939 series was built by AM General in the 1980's, but AM now only make lighter vehicles. Large trucks and engineer vehicles are built at commercial plant/agricultural and heavy vehicle assembly plants across the U.S. and Canada. Many of the assembly plants listed below don't make any vehicles for the military, but most would be capable of making them. There are also a dozen or more custom builders of firetrucks, tankers, buses and other heavy vehicles across the U.S. and Canada, but they are a bit beyond the scope of this. Farm & Plant Vehicle Assembly Plants Augusta, Georgia (John Deere) Davenport, Iowa (John Deere) East Moline, Illinois (John Deere) Fargo, North Dakota (Case IH) (* CNH) Fort Wayne, Indiana (Terex) Grand Island, Nebraska (Case IH) (* CNH) Hesston, Kansas (AGCO-Massey Ferguson) Hutchinson, Kansas (Kuhn-Krauss) Jackson, Minnesota (AGCO-Massey Ferguson) Peoria, Illinois (Caterpillar) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (Terex) Ottawa, Kansas (Kalmar Ottawa) Racine, Wisconsin (Case IH) (* CNH) Waterloo, Iowa (John Deere) Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada (Versatile) (* Rostselmarsh) Heavy Vehicles Assembly Plants Appleton, Wisconsin (Oshkosh) Chillicothe, Ohio (Kenworth) (* Paccar) Cleveland, North Carolina (Freightliner) (* Daimler-Benz) Cleveland, North Carolina (MAN) (* Volkswagen) Denton, Texas (Peterbilt) (* Paccar) Dodge Centre, Minnesota (Oshkosh) High Point, North Carolina (Thomas Built Buses) (* Daimler-Benz) Ladson, South Carolina (Daimler-Benz) Macungie, Pennsylvania (Mack) (* Volvo) Mount Holy, North Carolina (Freightliner) (* Daimler-Benz) Oshkosh, Wisconsin (Oshkosh) Portland, Oregon (Western Star) (* Daimler-Benz) Renton, Washington (Kenworth) (* Paccar) Springfield, Ohio (Navistar) St. Therese, Quebec Canada (Peterbilt) (* Paccar) West Point, Mississippi (Navistar) Williamstown, West Virginia (Hino) (* Toyota) Engine Plants Anniston, Alabama (U.S. Army/Honeywell) Columbus, Indiana (Cummins) Hagerstown, Maryland (Mack) (* Volvo) Huntsville, Alabama (Navistar) Melrose Park, Illinois (Navistar) Mobile, Alabama (Continental) (* AVIC) Mossville, Illinois (Caterpillar) Peoria, Illinois (Caterpillar) Redford, Michigan (Detroit Diesel) (* Daimler-Benz) Rocky Mount, North Carolina (Cummins) Seymour, Indiana (Cummins) Waterloo, Iowa (John Deere) Waukesha, Wisconsin (Navistar) Light Support Vehicles Light vehicles include pick-up trucks, commercial vans and vehicles specifically designed for military service. The major suppliers of military light vehicles to U.S. forces are AM General (HMMWV) and Oshkosh (L-ATV series, LVSR). The Mercedes G-Class fast attack vehicle is built by Daimler-Benz in Germany, and the RSOV is built by Land Rover in Britain. Oshkosh builds light military vehicles at their heavy vehicle assembly plants, but any number of commercial assembly plants could be relatively easily converted to build these type of vehicles. Vehicle Assembly Plants Alliston, Ontario Canada (Honda) Arlington, Texas (GM) Avon Lake, Ohio (Ford) Belvidere, Illinois (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Blue Springs, Mississippi (Toyota) Bowling Green, Kentucky (GM) Brampton, Ontario Canada (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Cambridge, Ontario Canada (Toyota) Carton, Mississippi (Nissan) Charlotte, Michigan (Isuzu) Chattanooga, Tennessee (Volkswagen) Chicago, Illinois (Ford) Dearborn, Michigan (Ford) Detroit, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Detroit, Michigan (GM) East Liberty, Ohio (Honda) Fairfax, Kansas (GM) Flat Rock, Michigan (Ford) Flint, Michigan (GM) Fort Wayne, Indiana (GM) Freemont, California (Tesla) Georgetown, Kentucky (Toyota) Greensburg, Indiana (Honda) Ingersoll, Ontario Canada (GM) Kansas City, Missouri (Ford) Lafayette, Indiana (Subaru) Lansing, Michigan (GM) Lincoln, Alabama (Honda) Livonia, Michigan (AM General) Lordstown, Ohio (GM) Louisville, Kentucky (Ford) Marysville, Ohio (Honda) Mishawaka, Indiana (AM General) Montgomery, Alabama (Hyundai) Normal, Illinois (Mitsubishi) Oakville, Ontario Canada (Ford) Orion, Michigan (GM) Oshawa, Ontario Canada (GM) Princeton, Indiana (Toyota) San Antonio, Texas (Toyota) Smyrna, Tennessee (Nissan) Spartanburg, South Carolina (BMW) Spring Hill, Tennessee (GM) Sterling Heights, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Timmonsville, South Carolina (Nissan) Tuscaloosa, Alabama (Mercedes) (* Daimler-Benz) Wakarusa, Indiana (Isuzu) Wayne, Michigan (Ford) Warren, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Wentzville, Missouri (GM) West Point, Georgia (Kia) (* Hyundai) Windsor, Ontario Canada (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Woodstock, Ontario Canada (Toyota) Engine Plants Alliston, Ontario Canada (Honda) Anna, Ohio (Honda) Buffalo, New York (GM) Buffalo, West Virginia (Toyota) Cambridge, Ontario Canada (Toyota) Cleveland, Ohio (Ford) Dearborn, Michigan (Ford) Deckard, Tennessee (Nissan) Defiance, Ohio (GM) Detroit, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Dundee, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Essex, Ontario Canada (Ford) Flint, Michigan (GM) Georgetown, Kentucky (Toyota) Huntsville, Alabama (Toyota) Lima, Ohio (Ford) Lincoln, Alabama (Honda) Romeo, Michigan (Ford) Romulus, Michigan (GM) Trenton, Michigan (Chrysler) (* Fiat) Windsor, Ontario Canada (Ford) Wixom, Michigan (GM) Woodhaven, Michigan (Ford) Last edited by RN7; 10-04-2017 at 07:19 PM. |
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