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So my campaign regularly has contact with a PMC that is loosely based on MP, having both a Security and a Science Division.

I have this corporation taking over the security on several Airfields, Power plants and other assorted government facilities.

Any thoughts from the experts on what the PMC world looked like back in 1995 forward in a T2K world? Real life examples or pure T2K...
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PMC - Private Military Contractor I'm assuming?

MP would then be Morrow Project
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I'm sure that they were around earlier, but I don't recall reading/hearing much about PMCs until after Operation Enduring Freedom and Blackwater. The earliest PMC I can remember being aware of was Executive Outcomes, based out of South Africa, I believe. They operated in West Africa in the late '90s. Maybe you could EO as a model for your PMCs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Outcomes
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Maybe consult old issues of 'soldier of fortune'?
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The first of the "modern" PMCs is WatchGuard International formed in 1965 by Sir David Stirling of SAS fame. Stirling later left WatchGuard and founded KAS International in 1972.

During the 70s and 80s, Control Risks Groups and Defence Systems was formed.

Based on the limited amount of research I've been able to do, prior to the Twilight War, PMCs tend to be heavily British in nature, recruiting from SAS, SBS and Paras for the most part, and acting (unofficially of course) in British interests.
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Here is a few I found

Executive Outcomes was a private military company (PMC) founded in South Africa by former Lieutenant-Colonel of the South African Defence Force Eeben Barlow in 1989.

Pinkerton, founded as the Pinkerton National Detective Agency, is a private security guard and detective agency established in the United States by Allan Pinkerton in 1850

Securitas, is a security services (security guarding and mobile patrolling), monitoring, consulting and investigation group, founded in Stockholm, Sweden in 1934.

Corporate Training Unlimited, The firm was founded by Donald Feeney Jr. in 1986. He is a former Delta Force team leader who chose to retire from the US Army in lieu of a Courts Martial after auditors discovered several false claims on travel vouchers. The firm sent civilian guards to the war zone during the 1991 Gulf War.

DynCorp International, is an American Global service provider. Begun as an aviation company in 1946, the company also provides flight operations support, training and mentoring, international development, intelligence training and support, contingency operations, security, and operations and maintenance of land vehicles

Military Professional Resources Inc, Incorporated in 1987 by eight former senior military leaders. MPRI is a global provider of private military contractor services. It offered a wide range of professional services to both public and private customers, most notably the U.S. Department of Defense, the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Department of Justice, Law Enforcement organizations, foreign governments, government agencies and commercial businesses.

KBR, Inc. (formerly Kellogg Brown & Root) is an American engineering, procurement, and construction company, formerly a subsidiary of Halliburton. The company also has large offices in Arlington, Virginia, Birmingham, Alabama, and Newark, Delaware, in the United States and Leatherhead in the UK. After Halliburton acquired Dresser Industries in 1998, Dresser's engineering subsidiary, The M. W. Kellogg Co., was merged with Halliburton's construction subsidiary, Brown & Root, to form Kellogg Brown & Root. KBR and its predecessors have received many contracts with the U.S. military including during World War II, the Vietnam War, and the Iraq War.

AirScan Inc. was formed in 1984 by former US Air Commandos Walter Holloway and John Mansur with high standards of recruitment. They have been specializing in airborne surveillance, security operations, surveillance systems, wildlife surveys and training since 1989. They are one of the few companies able to operate unmanned aerial vehicles.

The Wackenhut Corporation is a United States security services company, it was founded as The Wackenhut Corporation in 1954, in Coral Gables, Florida, by George Wackenhut and three partners all former FBI agents.

Jorge Scientific Corporation is an American private military company with its headquarters located in Arlington, Virginia, providing counterinsurgency and intelligence, secure logistics and technology, cyber and advanced network infrastructure, and analysis and program management services to U.S. defense, Intelligence and federal civilian government customers. The company was established in 1986 by Judith Jorge Hartman, the founder and chairman

MVM is a company headquartered in Ashburn, Virginia, United States.It is a private security contractor that provides security contractors, staffing, training, translation and related services to U.S. Government clients. Found in 1979 by Dario O. Marquez, Jr., a former distinguished United States Secret Service agent. In the 1980s, MVM was awarded a contract by the U.S. Department of State to supply Cleared American Guards (CAG) to U.S. embassies throughout the world. Following the 1991 Haitian coup d'état and subsequent reinstatement of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 1994, MVM became the first private American firm to protect a foreign head of state in his own homeland.

The White Legion was a mercenary unit during the First Congo War (1996–97) employed on the side of Zaire President Mobutu Sese Seko. This group of several hundred men, mostly from former Yugoslavia, was given the task of defending the city of Kisangani and training Zairian troops. This effort was largely unsuccessful and in mid-March 1997 the mercenaries left the country.

As a side note Blackwater was founded 1997 by Erik Dean Prince when he left the the Navy seals in 1995. Don't see is happening in in Twilight
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Most mercenaries seem to be ex-us, ex-british/Commonwealth, and ex-yugoslavian soldiers. It wouldn't be hard to create any myriad of smaller Merc units or freelance individuals in almost any major conflict zone... Reminds me of Farcry 2. And if you're playing a v2/2.2 story line, you could have ex-soviet/pact mercs too. Also ex-IRA, ex-foriegn legion, ex-portugese...

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Why not check out the Merc:2000 supplement that was produced for Twilight:2000 for some ideas.
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So for the most part, these are companies with small numbers of fairly well trained people doing specific tasks.

I wasn't even sure if they were very popular pre-T2K, thanks for the information.

I can see these guys starting there own little towns/communities at their last assignment maybe...
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If you have time read "No Mean Soldier" by Peter McAleese. It's an interesting autobiography where he progresses from the British Paras and SAS in the 1960 to being a mercenary in the 1970 onwards, including working in Angola, South Africa and Colombia up to the early 1990s (I think).

https://www.amazon.co.uk/No-Mean-Sol.../dp/1857972503
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Or watch The Wild Geese. Classic film...
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Couple of items of interest...

The Addition to the Geneva Convention of 20 August, 1949, Article 47 of Protocol I, in its opening sentence states, "A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or prisoner of war." In essence they are an illegal combatant and denied the protection of the Geneva Conventions.

On 20 October, 2001, we have the United Nations International Convention Against the Recruiment, Use, Financing and Training of Mercenaries, Article 2 makes it an offence to employ mercenaries. This has been ratified by 35 nations. But has not been signed by the People's Republic of China, France, India, Japan, Russia, the United Kingdom and the US.

Basically, you can't be a mercenary because if you are captured, you can be shot out of hand. The UN doesn't approve of PMCs because they consider them to be mercenaries, although many nation-states do use PMCs, and if they are used in foreign countries, there are agreements that the hiring country makes that either gives them immunity (State Department's use of PMCs as security) or requires the hiring country to guarantee the behaviour of the PMC.
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This thread is interesting to me as I am working on a modern game environment where PMCs supported by massive mega-corps are evolving into something more of an Intelligence agency. Where they perform both Intelligence gathering and special ops missions. That why I expressed and interest in the early stages of the OSS (in the non fiction thread) as I can see some parallel developments.
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Thats sort of where I am going as well, the Post T2K East India Trading Company meets New America meets The Morrow Project! Hahaha!!!

I was trying to figure out if in that timeline in RL that a PMC might have the numbers and authority to be as heavily involved as they are in our Campaign.

We have them engaged in many areas as a way to give the Players support considering the daunting effort to rebuild the US. Sort of like a player "Patron" from the MERC world.

"How do we get this power plant back online? Does DHI have a Sciences Team in the area?"
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Remember that when T2K first was published, The A-Team was on TV. So you could have a group like that in the post-war world...
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Not that the Geneva convention means much after the TDM... And technically after shtf everyone is a mercenary, some just have national/political ties too.
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