Post disaster Prime Base Comminications

[dragoon500ly]

Not necessarily, the messages were being sent at random times, on random frequencies, then it would be hard for Krell to intercept. My understanding of the Krell time is that they were sent from the Krell centre of power to destroy Prime Base. This would argue for a small team that was not equipped to remain in the area after the nuke went off. Krell would then have to move radio intercept equipment into the region to triangulate any radio transmissions. Would Krell have been able to do this for any amount of time?

One of the short comings of the module is the lack of detail into Prime's communications. Yes, they reference to a communications module, but detail is sorely lacking. I can see a series of omni-directional and directed antennas. Satellite uplink to a Morrow Industries communications satellite, certainly in the realm of possibility, an aero-stat boosting a long antenna, again possible. But only one communications module? Doubtful, I can see several modules scattered over a few hundred kilometres, in LOS of each other, but spreading Prime's commo support over a region, making it more difficult to triangulate....have to look into this deeper!

[tsofian]

Originally Posted by dragoon500ly

Not necessarily, the messages were being sent at random times, on random frequencies, then it would be hard for Krell to intercept. My understanding of the Krell time is that they were sent from the Krell centre of power to destroy Prime Base. This would argue for a small team that was not equipped to remain in the area after the nuke went off. Krell would then have to move radio intercept equipment into the region to triangulate any radio transmissions. Would Krell have been able to do this for any amount of time?

The flip side of this is they have to be broadcasting 360 and at relatively high power. Even if the transmissions are fairly infrequent sooner or later that many transmissions will get someone interested. I'm not sure if they are on random frequencies. The signal has to go all the way to the coasts from PB. I can't see any way the sending unit has any idea where the team they are sending to is, so they will need to use maximum power and send on a frequency that will reach that far.

Your idea of a distributed group of transmitters would help, but they will still be pretty close to each other and would give a fairly close fix.

[dragoon500ly]

Originally Posted by tsofian

The flip side of this is they have to be broadcasting 360 and at relatively high power. Even if the transmissions are fairly infrequent sooner or later that many transmissions will get someone interested. I'm not sure if they are on random frequencies. The signal has to go all the way to the coasts from PB. I can't see any way the sending unit has any idea where the team they are sending to is, so they will need to use maximum power and send on a frequency that will reach that far.

Your idea of a distributed group of transmitters would help, but they will still be pretty close to each other and would give a fairly close fix.

We also have the various manned and unmanned commo bases, possibly automatically transmitting messages.

This is a subject that requires a lot more research!!

[ArmySGT.]

Ultra Low Frequency traveling through bedrock.

[tsofian]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Ultra Low Frequency traveling through bedrock.

Wikipedia has this to say about ULF range Radio amateurs and electronics hobbyists have used this mode for limited range communications using audio power amplifiers connected to widely spaced electrode pairs hammered into the soil. At the receiving end, the signal is detected as a weak electric current between a further pair of electrodes. Using weak signal reception methods with PC-based DSP filtering with extremely narrow bandwidths, it is possible to receive signals at a range of a few kilometers with a transmitting power of 10-100 W and electrode spacing of around 10–50 m.

You are acommo guy so probably have more information to share

[cosmicfish]

Originally Posted by tsofian

Wikipedia has this to say about ULF range Radio amateurs and electronics hobbyists have used this mode for limited range communications using audio power amplifiers connected to widely spaced electrode pairs hammered into the soil. At the receiving end, the signal is detected as a weak electric current between a further pair of electrodes. Using weak signal reception methods with PC-based DSP filtering with extremely narrow bandwidths, it is possible to receive signals at a range of a few kilometers with a transmitting power of 10-100 W and electrode spacing of around 10–50 m.

You are acommo guy so probably have more information to share

Transmitting through bedrock has significant problems over long range, and there are lots of ways to transmit securely, especially in a post-war, resource starved environment. There are a few ways that shouldn't be discussed on here, but one simple way going back to your directional antenna idea is to use a single tight-beam link (laser, perhaps) to transmit to an in-range relay station with a command to rebroadcast isotropic. It is unlikely that the tight-beam is intercepted or blocked in time to stop the transmission, and if they find the relay station, so what? Losing that is well worth transmitting the codes.