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So what if I change it to turkeys and geese? Meat, feathers, grease.
10*50kg per person... 500kg of meat. 2.5*500 = 1250 kg grain to feed *10 (only 10% of the flock is consumed)= 12500kg of corn consumed as animal feed. 12500/1300= 9.6 hectares /2 = 4.8 hectares cultivated as corn for animal feed. 4.8*40 (hectares * TL D labor hours) = 192 labor hours. 10*500/115=43.8 hectares of range land. 43.8*40 (hectares*TL D hours)=1739 labor hours 192+1739 = 1931 labor hours for 500 kg of poultry. |
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I think it is awesome that this game inspires an in depth discussion of the economics system rather than a discussion along the lines of "The HP-35 is a stupid pistol, everyone knows the SOCOM .45 is the only pistol a real man would use. I totally kicked ass with it in Black Ops 3...."
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WOW! I just bought the 4thE....oh boy I am in trouble.
This much detail, way too cool. Now I have to rebuild all of east Texas with this. :P
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How about the SouthEast United States? There are no canon publications for that region. Someone on the ground that can flesh out the real locations and plausible outcomes. What happens to Florida the coast lines and the swamps with a global cooling and a 20 meter drop in sea level? |
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What do you think of this suggestion?
Milk goats? Dairy goat 75L for 0.5Kg equivalent of corn. |
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Homestead. (20 Persons)
Tech Level G (Multiplier 2) Agriculture 20-50+% = 4 Mining, Manufacturing, and Construction 18-25& =1 Distribution 9-17% =1 Other Services 20+% =1 Labor Pool 7 300Kg of Wheat per person, per year. 20x300Kg=6000Kg or equivalents 50kg of meat per person, per year. 20x50Kg= 1000Kg 150L of milk per person, per year. 20x150L= 3000L Farming Tech level G 1000 hrs per Hectare Farmer can harvest 2 Hectare per labor year (2000hrs) Yield is 750Kg per Hectare 6000/750= 8 hectares of wheat. 8/2=4 farmers Switch to Potatoes and corn= 4000/750=8 /5 = 1.6 Hectare. 2000/750= 2.66 /2 = 1.33 hectares 1.6 + 1.33= 2.93 hectares 2.93x1000 = 2930 labor hours or 3 farmers. Lets add a vegetable garden Cabbage, carrots, onions, tomatoes, etc. Potatoes 2000kg / 750kg = 2.66 hectares /5 = 0.53 hectares Corn 2000kg /750 =2.66 hectares /2 = 1.33 hectares Vegetables 2000kg /750 =2.66 hectares /7 = 0.38 hectares 0.53+1.33+0.38 = 2.24 hectares or 2240 labor hours. More vegetables, less corn. Corn 1000kg /750kg = 1.33 hectares /2 = 0.665 hectares Potatoes 2000kg / 750kg = 2.66 hectares /5 = 0.53 hectares Vegetables 3000kg /750 =4 hectares /7 = 0.57 hectares 0.665+0.53+0.57= 1.750 hectares or 1 farmer. Live stock Milk yield is 180 liter for 1Kg of corn. 3000L/180L= 16.6 hectares /2 = 8.3 hectares. 180Kg /750Kg = 0.24 Hectares /2 corn = 0.12 hectares 8.3+0.12 = 842 labor hours or 1 farmer (The dairyman also helps grow corn) Meat…. Only poultry is going to work… if at all. 20x50Kg= 1000Kg to feed for one year. 2.5*1000*10= 25000kg of corn /750= 33.3 hectare (3330 labor hours) 20*1000/115= 173.9 hectares (3330+1739=5069 labor hours) 5 farmers. All seven in the labor pool are fixated on food production. |
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So I am still at odds what sounds good here. |
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That second PDF was really helpful. But my bovine research, to get a reference point, says the numbers in the chart for milk are no where near real world. Even if I were to assume 1 cow per hectare (real world is in the 2-4 range), we get 50Kg feed per cow per day and get annual milk yields of 1500-2300 Kg. That's ONE COW! Granted, we are assuming decent feed, but we are growing corn for them, so...
Ok, Goat can graze at a rate of about 6:1 compared to cows. Goats eat about 2Kg/day Goat give about 3Kg milk per day for 300 days, for about 900Kg/year Goat are more prone to parasitic disease, so would require more care. Bovine are under rated for yield in the book by about 10:1. Bovine density in the book is 0.5 vs. about 3 rl. For dairy goats, how does yield/hectare of 90Kg with 0.6 Kg corn to help account for the extra care they take to avoid disease? |
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Sgt, just did a quick experiment for you. You could raise beef and poultry to give your ranch some variety. The numbers are not too bad. (see attached)
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Pigs and birds, Cows and birds? |
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Love it when great minds think alike....
Darn it, the calculations were not copied down. Here is the revised data. Not quite as pretty. Last edited by mmartin798; 01-16-2016 at 12:45 PM. |
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Took the ranch one step further and diversified the vegetables for the people and added some luxury items that can be used for fun and trade.
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That is pretty awesome! Are you going to autosum the tables? Let the spreadsheet take care of the tallies?
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Yes, I already have that happening in the Labor and Land summary on the second page. So far my spreadsheet modifies the labor pool numbers with the attributes and does the agriculture calculations. I should be able to get the extraction numbers working by tomorrow. Once done, I will release this as a tool to the group.
I am not making a click a button and generate a settlement tool. But it should let you easily figure out what your group can and cannot do with the people they have. I do what opinions. When I do the calculations and come up with fractional workers, like the 1.38 in the last example, should it round up to 2 or would there be someone who would spend half their time helping on the farm? It would be easy enough to not round and assume there are people that have other chores. |
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