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kcdusk 12-16-2005, 07:06 PM #1 its a great movie


but #2, can anyone tell me the types of guns they had? I can find a couple of pictures that look like what they carried but am not sure.


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Come to think of it, theres an idea for a T2K scenario - something straight out of dog soldiers!!!

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Milano 12-16-2005, 11:36 PM Not that im watching the movie right now but I think Charlie Gates is carrying a Winchester 1873 and a Colt Single Action, and the posse's got Winchester 94's and 92's. Again if memory serves. That is a darn fine film by the way.


Off topic but, I just saw King Kong way way way so very worth the price of admission. Sad? Yes. But many of the action scenes are so exciting! Definitely go see it.

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ReHerakhte 12-17-2005, 01:26 AM Are we talking the Sean Pertwee, Kevin McKidd & Liam Cunningham horror movie about a team of British soldiers in the Scottish forests?


If so, the soldiers were initially armed with 5.56mm L85 rifles, the yellow device on the barrel being a blank firing device for when blank rounds are being used.

Later in the movie they get MP5 SMGs, a pump-action shotgun and what's meant to be a 7.62mm G3A3 but is more likely the civilian semi-auto version, the HK91 (it has no muzzle break or bayonet lug).


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kcdusk 12-17-2005, 02:14 AM < using sad voice >


yaeh, i hear king kong is a great movie. Graet effects, great action. No nudity, but, oh well. A 10' monkiey only has so much sex appeal.

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TiggerCCW UK 12-17-2005, 03:59 AM If so, the soldiers were initially armed with 5.56mm L85 rifles, the yellow device on the barrel being a blank firing device for when blank rounds are being used.



Interestingly, the early BFA's used to fly off the muzzle during training - just another example of how terrible the early L85's were. I can also remember hearing horror stories about bayonets being shot off the muzzles of rifles during blank firing.

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copeab 12-17-2005, 09:22 AM #1 its a great movie



I personally rate it as the best "Military vs Monsters" movie, with Aliens being second. It gets the top spot mainly because, unlike most MvM movies, the soldiers actually *act like* soldiers, not idiots with automatic weapons.


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Grimace 12-17-2005, 06:37 PM This was one of those shows I just randomly stumbled across, not knowing what it was called or what it was about. I was flipping channels, paused on a bit where there were some guys in camo, talking with British accents, and I lingered a bit. I think I started watching it within the first 15 minutes of the show, so I don't think I missed much. After about 5-10 minutes, I was hooked.


At least, that's how it went with the British Military vs. Werewolves version of Dog Soldiers. I'm not sure what Milano was referring to, but there was obviously an older show, dealing with perhaps the Wild West age, also named Dog Soldiers.


In fact, I'll look it up.


Well, a look online found only two movies by the possible name of Dog Soldiers. One is the man vs. monster version, and another was called "Who'll Stop the Rain", but was known elsewhere as Dog Soldiers. WSTR was about Vietnam, though, so I'm not sure where the bit on Winchesters and such come in, if this is even the movie Milano was mentioning.

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firewalker 12-17-2005, 08:51 PM some of the plains Indians (crow? Cherokee? can't quite rember the tribe) warrior's were called dog solder's.


there was a movie called "last of the dog solder's". were a modern day tracker came across a camp of dog solder's living up in the rocky mountains. the idea was that instead of surrender and go onto the resvation's they headed up into the mountains and hid out.

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Milano 12-17-2005, 09:01 PM By George I think you're right, I am thinkning of the LAST of the Dog Soldiers. Sorry very much my bad. Haven't seen the other though. Any good?

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kcdusk 12-18-2005, 02:19 AM Dog Soldiers is a fantastic movie.


I remember seeing a preview for it. I thought it was British, had some great action and looked like a great movie.


After seeing the preview i really had two thoughts on it. #1, being British as opposed to American it might be a little different than most movies (in a good way) and #2, as good as the preview was, we probably seen all the good bits in the preview.


But i was wrong, this was one great movie. Should have seen the ending coming but didnt. Enjoyed it thouraoly. Which was lucky, cause i got a mate around to watch it with me and i had built it up some.

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TiggerCCW UK 12-18-2005, 07:20 AM Heres a few links about the film.


http://www.geekroar.com/film/archives/000289.php


http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home...diersx01x05x02


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280609/




And here's some info about the rumoured sequel.


http://www.thezreview.co.uk/comingso...soldiers2.shtm


One of the greatest strengths of the film was the interaction between the squaddies - very realistic. The trailers were great too - based on the army recruiting campaign at the time.

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weston617 12-18-2005, 10:27 AM I have to say how great I think this film is. I bought it on DVD on the advice of a friend and loved it! It's got action, decent black humour and, as has been said, the interaction between the squaddies was very true to life. Hell, I'm sure I recognise most of the first part of the film from being on exercise myself!

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graebardeII 12-19-2005, 08:07 PM some of the plains Indians (crow? Cherokee? can't quite rember the tribe) warrior's were called dog solder's.


there was a movie called "last of the dog solder's". were a modern day tracker came across a camp of dog solder's living up in the rocky mountains. the idea was that instead of surrender and go onto the resvation's they headed up into the mountains and hid out.


Actually it was Last of the Dogmen starring Tom Berenger. The People were Cheyenne, Northern Cheyenne to be more specific. As for the rifles, can't recall.


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firewalker 12-20-2005, 11:35 PM well i got the first letter right at lest. as for the gun's in last of the dog men. the tracker had lever action and revolver (spicefic make and such no idea) but lot's of cowboy looking stuff. the cop's had standerd rual cop guns revolvers, bolt action rifls and shotguns.

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For those who like "Twilight Nightmare"-type adventures, it's almost perfect. It requires no special equipment or training on the part of the PCs and minimal background jiggering ("Okay, werewolves exist and you just ran into a pack on their hunting night"). The scenario as presented probably works best in a Merc 2000 setting but could fit T2K (it would be practically mundane for Dark Conspiracy). The only major "campaign" concern for the GM is handling any surviving PC(s) who gets infected. However, the werewolves in the movie didn't seem terribly interested in adding to their pack that night. Another concern would be PC survival: the film uses "horror movie" lethality, which is significantly greater than "war movie" lethality.
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It's in my top ten list of military movies even with the supernatural element. Shows very well how a small well trained unit would act when completely isolated.

I just wish more players would take note of good tactics, chain of command and keeping your head down than thinking they're Rambo and charging off on their own...
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Any idea which film Milano was talking about in the first response to KC's original post?
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Any idea which film Milano was talking about in the first response to KC's original post?
Given the weapons he listed, it sounds like a Western.

I have no idea. There was a movie called _The Horse soldiers_ (1959) but IMDb lists no Charlie Gates in it.

They only list one actor named Charles Gates, and the only Western he appears to have been in was an episode of the TC series _Adventures Of Briscoe County Jr_.

Hmm, there was a Carlo Gaddi who used Charles Gates as an alternate name and he appeared in quite a few Spaghetti Westerns.

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It's in my top ten list of military movies even with the supernatural element. Shows very well how a small well trained unit would act when completely isolated.
Not just isolated, but faced with something clearly outside of their experience and training., but maintaining discipline anyway. The Colonial Marines in Aliens come off very poorly to the troops in Dog Soldiers.

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Frankly, the mechanics and tone of D&D gives a lot pf players a certain mindset not suitable to other rule sets. There is nothing really wrong with this mindset _if it fits_ the campaign you are running; the mindset required for most super hero games doesn't work for T2K either.
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This movie would have been a lot more interesting if the soldiers were actually dogs. Imagine -- a German Shepard coming at you with a G-36, a French Poodle with an FA-MAS, a Corgi with an L-85...

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...Actually it was Last of the Dogmen starring Tom Berenger. The People were Cheyenne, Northern Cheyenne to be more specific...

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As for Aliens, it would not have mattered who led the team, who survived or even what military they were from, James Cameron wanted a gunfight/survive-against-the-odds movie so things were always going to happen in the way they did. If it had been realistic it would have been a whole lot less entertaining.
The other trivia piece about Vasquez is that she wasn't even played by a latina but by Jenette Goldstein, who might be remembered from yet another Cameron movie, John Connor's foster mother in Terminator 2
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The 1987 film Near Dark has several of the actors from Aliens in it including Jenette Goldstein, Lance Henriksen and Bill Paxton. Not a bad film IMO.
Ah yes, I remember it. I always referred to it as "trailer park vampire movie" And I did like it.

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The Wikipedia article on Aliens shows the full names of the Colonial Marines (many of which I didn't know) and its interesting that the writers used the actors' real first names for the characters they played.
I'm terrible when it comes to naming NPCs*. I used the names of some of the characters when I had to name some US Marines for a 1941 adventure. For an adventure set in 1942, I'm using names from Dog Soldiers ...

* PCs are worse. First, there was an AD&D fighter named Morgan. Then there was an Aftermath drifter named Morgan. Then a Traveller ex-Scout named Morgan Fuchida. Now, a Star Trek character named Neko Morgan ...
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I'm terrible when it comes to naming NPCs*. I used the names of some of the characters when I had to name some US Marines for a 1941 adventure. For an adventure set in 1942, I'm using names from Dog Soldiers ...
I love coming up with names for NPCs. In the coming weeks I'm going to do my best to fulfil Kato's request and post a list of all the PCs and major NPCs in my T2K campaign. The main obstacle at the moment is finding all the paperwork for the campaign. I boxed it all up and put it away when the campaign ended.
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I love coming up with names for NPCs. In the coming weeks I'm going to do my best to fulfil Kato's request and post a list of all the PCs and major NPCs in my T2K campaign. The main obstacle at the moment is finding all the paperwork for the campaign. I boxed it all up and put it away when the campaign ended.
Thanks really looking forward to seeing it.
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