Training Divisions oob

[kato13]

shrike6 10-05-2004, 10:27 AM Got another series of orbats finished. This is my take on the training divisions orbats after they were activated as troop units. Feel free to ask any questions.

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shrike6 10-05-2004, 10:28 AM Appendix G: Training Divisions upon Activation


a. 70th Infantry Division (Light) - Livonia, MI

1) 1st Brigade -- Inkster, MI

a) 1- 271st Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 271st Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 273rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Flint, MI

a) 2- 273rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 275th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 276th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Fort Wayne, IN

a) 3- 273rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 3- 275th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 2- 276th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 70th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 70th ID) -- Camp Atterbury, IN

a) 1- 884th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 884th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 884th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 70th ID Discom -- (ex- 6th Bde, 85th ID) -- Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN

a) 4070th Support Battalion (Fwd)

b) 5070th Support Battalion (Main)

c) 6070th Support Battalion (Fwd)

d) 8070th Support Battalion (Fwd)

6) 70th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 322nd Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1070th Engineer Battalion

c) 2070th MP Company

d) 3070th Signal Battalion

e) 1070th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6070th Military Intelligence Battalion


b. 76th Infantry Division - Hartford, CT

1) 1st Brigade/385th Infantry Regiment -- Saco, ME

a) 1- 385th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 385th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 385th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade/417th Infantry Regiment -- Lodi, NJ

a) 1- 417th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 417th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 417th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade/305th Infantry Regiment -- Red Bank, NJ

a) 1- 305th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 305th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 305th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 76th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 76th ID) -- Providence, RI

a) 1- 901st Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 902nd Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 902nd Field Artillery Battalion

5) 76th ID Discom (ex-6th Bde, 85th ID) - Mattydale, NY

a) 4076th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

b) 5076th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

c) 7076th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- Ds 3rd Bde

d) 9076th Support Battalion (Main)

6) 76th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 306th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1076th Engineer Battalion

c) 2076th MP Company

d) 3076th Signal Battalion

e) 1076th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6076th Military Intelligence Battalion


c. 78th Infantry Division - Edison, NJ

1) 1st Brigade/309th Infantry Regiment -- Camp Kilmer, NJ

a) 1- 309th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 309th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 309th Infantry Battalion

2) 2nd Brigade/310th Infantry Regiment -- Fort Dix, NJ

a) 1- 310th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 310th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 310th Infantry Battalion

3) 3rd Brigade/311th Infantry Regiment -- Fort Devens, MA

a) 1- 311th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 311th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 311th Infantry Battalion

4) 78th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 78th ID) -- Richmond, VA

a) 1- 903rd Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 903rd Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 903rd Field Artillery Battalion

5) 78th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 78th ID) -- Baltimore, MD

a) 4078th Support Battalion (Main)

b) 5078th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

c) 7078th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

d) 9078th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

6) 78th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 317th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1078th Engineer Battalion

c) 2078th MP Company

d) 3078th Signal Battalion

e) 1078th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6078th Military Intelligence Battalion


d. 80th Infantry Division -Richmond, VA

1) 1st Brigade/319th Infantry Regiment -- Ft. Meade, VA

a) 1- 319th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 319th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 319th Infantry Battalion

2) 2nd Brigade/317th Infantry Regiment -- Salem, VA

a) 1- 317th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 317th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 317th Infantry Battalion

3) 3rd Brigade/318th Infantry Regiment -- Harrisburg, PA

a) 1- 318th Infantry Battalion

b) 2- 318th Infantry Battalion

c) 3- 318th Infantry Battalion

4) 80th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 80th ID) -- Ft. Story, VA

a) 1- 905th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 905th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 905th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 80th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 80th ID) -- Wilmington, DE

a) 4080th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

b) 5080th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

c) 7080th Support Battalion (Main)

d) 9080th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

6) 80th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 300th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1080th Engineer Battalion

c) 2080th MP Company

d) 3080th Signal Battalion

e) 1080th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6084th Military Intelligence Battalion


e. 84th Infantry Division - Milwaukee, WI

1) 1st Brigade/ 274th Infantry Regiment -- Fort Sheridan, IL

a) 1- 274th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 274th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 274th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Beaver Dam, WI

a) 2- 329th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 334th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 339th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Ft. Snelling, MN

a) 3- 334th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 339th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 329th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 84th ID Divarty (ex- 4th Bde, 84th ID) -- Indianapolis, IN

a) 1- 909th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 909th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 909th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 84th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 84th ID) -- Milwaukee, WI

a) 4084th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

b) 5084th Support Battalion (Main)

c) 7084th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

d) 9084th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

6) 84th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 309th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1084th Engineer Battalion

c) 2084th MP Company

d) 3084th Signal Battalion

e) 1084th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6084th Military Intelligence Battalion


f. 85th Infantry Division - Arlington Heights, IL:

1) 1st Brigade -- Ft. Sheridan, IL

a) 1- 337th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 340th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 337th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Ft. McCoy, WI

a) 3- 335th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 338th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 340th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Selfridge ANGB, MI

a) 1- 337th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2-337th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 335th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 85th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 85th ID) -- Ft. Sheridan, IL

a) 1- 910th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 910th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 910th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 85th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 85th ID) -- Fort Snelling, MN

a) 4085th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

b) 5085th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

c) 7085th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

d) 9085th Support Battalion (Main)

6) 85th Sep Elem

a) 1- 310th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1085th Engineer Battalion

c) 2085th MP Company

d) 3085th Signal Battalion

e) 1085th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6085th Military Intelligence Battalion


g. 91st Infantry Division - Sausalito, CA

1) 1st Brigade -- Camp Parks, CA

a) 2- 363rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 364th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 356th Infantry Battalion (Light0

2) 2nd Brigade -- Norco, CA

a) 1- 357th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 358th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 2- 364th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Travis AFB, CA

a) 1- 363rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 3- 363rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 356th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 91st ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 91st ID) -- Tumwater, CA

a) 1- 916th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 916th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 916th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 91st ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 91st ID) -- Salt Lake City, UT

a) 4091st Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

b) 5091st Support Battalion (Main)

c) 7091st Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

d) 9091st Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

6) 91st ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 301st Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1091st Engineer Battalion

c) 2091st MP Company

d) 3091st Signal Battalion

e) 1091st Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6091st Military Intelligence Battalion


h. 95th Infantry Division - Midwest City, OK

1) 1st Brigade -- Lawton, OK

a) 1- 379th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 379th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 354th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Norman, OK

a) 1- 378th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 377th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 378th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Broken Arrow, OK

a) 1- 377th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 378th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 377th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 95th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 95th ID) -- Lafayette, LA

a) 1- 355th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 355th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 355th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 95th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 95th ID) -- San Antonio, TX

a) 4095th Support Battalion (Main)

b) 5095th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

c) 7095th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

d) 9095th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

6) 95th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 305th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1095th Engineer Battalion

c) 2095th MP Company

d) 3095th Signal Battalion

e) 1095th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6095th Military Intelligence Battalion


i. 98th Infantry Division - Rochester, NY

1) 1st Brigade -- Providence, RI

a) 3- 304th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 391st Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 391st Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Buffalo, NY

a) 2- 390th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 3- 385th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1- 391st Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Mattydale, NY

a) 1- 304th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 390th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 2- 385th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 98th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 98th ID) -- West Hartford, CT

a) 1- 923rd Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2- 923rd Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 923rd Field Artillery Battalion

5) 98th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 98th ID) --Fort Hamilton, NY

a) 4098th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

b) 5098th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

c) 7098th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

d) 9098th Support Battalion (Main)

6) 98th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 302nd Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1098th Engineer Battalion

c) 2098th MP Company

d) 3098th Signal Battalion

e) 1098th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6098th Military Intelligence Battalion


j. 100th Infantry Division - Louisville, KY

1) 1st Brigade -- Lexington, KY

a) 2- 397th Cavalry Battalion (Tank)

b) 3- 397th Cavalry Battalion (Lt Inf)

c) 2-398th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Owensboro, KY

a) 1-398th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 3-398th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3-399th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Lexington, KY

a) 4-398th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1-399th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 2- 399th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 100th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 100th ID) -- Montgomery, AL

a) 1-925th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2-925th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3-925th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 100th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 100th ID) -- Memphis, TN

a) 4100th Support Battalion (Main)

b) 5100th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

c) 7100th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

d) 9100th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

6) 100th ID Sep Elem

a) 1-397th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1100th Engineer Battalion

c) 2100th MP Company

d) 3100th Signal Battalion

e) 1100th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6100th Military Intelligence Battalion


k. 104th Infantry Division - Vancouver, WA

1) 1st Brigade -- Vancouver Barracks, WA

a) 1- 414th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 415th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 415th Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Pasco, WA

a) 2- 414th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 413th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 1-415th Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Vancouver Barracks, WA

a) 1-413th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 3-413th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3-414th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 104th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 104th ID) -- Fort Lewis, WA

a) 1-929th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2-929th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3-929th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 104th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 104th ID) -- Fort Douglas, UT

a) 4104th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 2nd Bde

b) 5104th Support Battalion (Main)

c) 7104th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 3rd Bde

d) 9104th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- Ds 1st Bde

6) 104th ID Sep Elem

a) 1-304th Cavalry Squadron (Div)

b) 1104th Engineer Battalion

c) 2104th MP Company

d) 3104th Signal Battalion

e) 1104th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6104th Military Intelligence Battalion


l. 108th Infantry Division - Charlotte, NC

1) 1st Brigade -- Spartanberg, SC

a) 1- 485th Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 1- 321st Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3- 323rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

2) 2nd Brigade -- Garner, NC

a) 1- 323rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2- 321st Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 2- 323rd Infantry Battalion (Light)

3) 3rd Brigade -- Fort Jackson, SC

a) 3-321st Infantry Battalion (Light)

b) 2-485th Infantry Battalion (Light)

c) 3-518th Infantry Battalion (Light)

4) 108th ID Divarty (ex-4th Bde, 108th ID) -- Decatur, GA

a) 1-928th Field Artillery Battalion

b) 2-928th Field Artillery Battalion

c) 3- 928th Field Artillery Battalion

5) 108th ID Discom (ex-5th Bde, 108th ID) -- Jacksonville, FL

a) 4108th Support Battalion (Fwd) --DS 3rd Bde

b) 5108th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- DS 1st Bde

c) 7108th Support Battalion (Main)

d) 9108th Support Battalion (Fwd) -- 2nd Bde

6) 108th ID Sep Elem

a) 1- 308th Cavalry Squadron(Div)

b) 1108th Engineer Battalion

c) 2108th MP Company

d) 3108th Signal Battalion

e) 1108th Aviation Battalion (Provisional)

f) 6108th Military Intelligence Battalion

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[Olefin]

Great thread and thought I would add to it by just giving an idea on how much manpower a training division would have based on descriptions I have found of the 84th Infantry Division when it was a pure training division (including the period of Twilight 2000)

It was described at 3000 men distributed among its 4 brigades as its normal size. Given that you have a wartime situation here you would figure that it may have grown by anywhere from 50 to 100% of its pre-wartime size by 7/2/98.

In the US Army Vehicle Guide it has a strength of 4000 men, a very reasonable number considering it had never seen combat except for security duties - i.e. you start with 3000 men, have it grow to perhaps 4500 to 5000 men by 7/2/98 and then thru either desertion or some losses to disease or minor combat reduced to 4000 by July of 2000.

[kato13]

bumped out of the Archive.

[The Rifleman]

The locations look good. I have worked with some of these units over the years and you've got the places the units were stationed dead on. Also, the conversion of some brigades to support/artillery looks good. Also, the battalions seem to have come from the right lineage, good research.

Something that I'm not too sure about is engineer battalions, cavalry squardrons, MI battalions, and aviation assets.

I can't see the army stripping corps level aviation units and giving them to LIDs. The assets were sure to be scarce and had to come from somewhere. In looking at the "corps" most of these divisions were in, the corps seemed to have not much more than an HQ and maybe a few long range guns or an engineer battalion.

Some of the divisions picked up tanks left over from deployed formations. Ideally, if I were an LID commander, i'd love to have at least a humvee or FAV motorized cav squardron so my division had 1 unit some some sort of mobility. Maybe they had some sort of combination where they are using one troop in hummers, a couple troops on horseback, and a platoon of M60A4s. I would see something like this done more by the initiative of the division commander than by a TO&E.

The engineers and MI bats also I'm not too sure about. Maybe what we are calling a "battalion" of engineers exists, in some sort of reduced capacity. Like civillian front end loaders and former civillian engineers and construction types. An MI battalion has all kinds of neat toys like radars, drones, analists, interregators, and so on. I just don't see that suddenly popping up and the army doesn't have a lot of them laying around as spares.

Support doesn't even appear in the TO&E for the US army vehicle guide. I don't have one infront of me, but I don't think Cav or aviation is on it.

[Olefin]

The 100th Infantry Division was responsible for basic armor training and armored cav school training and was actually issued M1 tanks and M3 Bradleys. This would explain the number of tanks it still has by mid 2000 for sure. The 1st and the 3rd of the 398th were armor, not light infantry as depicted earlier in this thread

The 100th would have been one of the most effective of the training divisions, considering it would have been composed of training officers who were very adept at the use of tanks and armored vehicles in general and probably would have been able to give any Mexican regular army formation one heck of a fight.

While many of the training divisions did very poorly during the Twilight War they definitely would not have been.

Given their assignment they would most likely have had more tanks and armor than the vehicle guide gives them credit for - and especially given the fact that by 2000 they are at Fort Carson and most likely would have raided what was left by the 4th at Fort Collins.

Also given the composition of the division I would say that the Cadet Brigade is probably a much more effective force than they would have been otherwise. The 100th is the perfect unit to be able to turn a bunch of Air Force cadets with no infantry or tank training into an effective unit that would be able to keep the MilGov command area guarded against basically any threat that might come their way.