Canon and The Modules

[GDWFan]

Ok I think I might have stirred up a hornets nest haha, My initial posts about the canon disagrement and the second about alternate history weren't meant to be related. I see how they could be seen that way but I was just seeing if anyone had read alternate histories GURPS and tried to do what I did. I think Canon in an RPG unlike Star Trek or Aliens or Comics has to be added to in most cases or you end up with a very limited area of operation or more imaginary units and positions which is also fine, I believe the developers realised this and began to mix the areas that the modules were located in around. I think that a majority on this forum prefer the most realistic situations possible which is what makes the informational work of the DC group, the addition to history of Web and the statistical info of Paul M so well used and loved by the T2K players.I believe the developers realised this and began to mix the areas that the modules were located in around. It basically adds to Canon in a realistic way, keeping as much of the original as plausible. There are certain elements that in my opinion are trademarks of the game which I could never change if I planned to use any of the modules the war in china, poland as is in the first 4 modules with the 5th at Kalisz, the split in Iran etc etc. But this is just me and Im sure its different for every one of us. I think the over looked factor is Mechanics its probably treason but I enjoy the 2nd edition char generation and gameplay in most cases. It is open to so much difference in characters if worked with a minimal amount. At the time of 1st Edition though you didn't have to much choice unless you wanted to convert AD&D or use palladium and I like to use it at times as well. I guess my rambling point is Together the initial Canon and Mechanics make up two of the greatest RPG systems ever, 3 other games use 2nd Edition and the original is as familiar to some as D&D or Traveller. Anything we can do to make it more playable to more people and keep it going is a good thing for all of us and anything we do that makes it harder or less likely we should stop and focus on the game that brings us here in the first place.

My second part is something Ive been thinking about as we talked about canon and as I read the DC group material that is available.

Lets make a post and start at Kalisz/Krakow, go through these modules and collectively add all OOB, Nuke Target Tactical or Strategic, Lost or Hidden Mil assets. Secondly as we reach the last modules in 1st Ed lets discern which of the 2nd Edition Mods have anything that is useful to the main story.

Third and this is where Ive been really thinking Once you go back to Europe where would the game's story have gone? Not counting the 2nd Ed Reboot that never finished lets postulate to me 2 things.

1. Should the story have gone "Back to Europe" ? and if so should it have followed a different path than the nostalgic back to Poland and into Ukraine?
If it did where should it have gone after White Eagle?

2.If it stayed stateside or went elsewhere where would it go to after the last stateside module Satelite Down?

Lets maybe get some ideas about where you would take it if you were at GDW trying to keep sales high?

[kato13]

Overall very good ideas.

As far as cataloging the Module information care need to be taken in not providing so much information that the modules themselves lose value. If we want to stay in the realm of fair use we must consider that.

Personally I would love to have all the modules/articles within something like this forum (where I could search multiple modules at the same time), but I know that would get us in trouble (in addition to being unfair to the copyright holders).

As far as where GDW would have taken things I just read through the designers notes in the final 12 challenge magazines and they really did not seem to know where they were going as far as new T2k material. In they end they seemed to believe that redoing the Vistua series for V 2 seemed to be the best answer.

I personally would have gone to Korea/Asia as it really was the most ignored theater. Given the final challenge article was part of an Asia module contest and that same issue referenced the next issue having a module in Australia, maybe they were focusing on the Pacific countries.

[GDWFan]

I would think that If we all left the the story out of the early modules discussion and stuck to numbers and locations we would be ok, I mean anyone posting would have to own the modules anyway.
I see that part of it as fact checking all of our own canons.

Asia was largely ignored although it got some play in Merc. I think they should have ended the american campaign with a reunion of the govs or some other major plot end tied up. I think one trip to poland in the return to europ would have been sufficent. France is the ignored party to me, Id have liked to see a mission overt or covert inside of France.

[Targan]

I personally would have gone to Korea/Asia as it really was the most ignored theater. Given the final challenge article was part of an Asia module contest and that same issue referenced the next issue having a module in Australia, maybe they were focusing on the Pacific countries.

I agree, and not just because you've mentioned Australia. I always thought that the Korean theatre would have been a great setting for at least a sourcebook and better yet followed by a trilogy of modules.

[kato13]

I agree, and not just because you've mentioned Australia. I always thought that the Korean theatre would have been a great setting for at least a sourcebook and better yet followed by a trilogy of modules.

Yeah Korea/China would have been a wonderful setting. Could have even lead to a new Asian Vehicle Guide.

On my original post I should clarify that it was an unpublished Challenge article not a module on Australia.

[headquarters]

Yeah Korea/China would have been a wonderful setting. Could have even lead to a new Asian Vehicle Guide.

On my original post I should clarify that it was an unpublished Challenge article not a module on Australia.

Wasnt there a site with some ROK / DPRK missions some guy had made for a typical US unit trapped in that theatre ?
Something " dragon " or other ...

[Targan]

I think the title of this thread would make a great name for a band.

[Rainbow Six]

Yeah Korea/China would have been a wonderful setting. Could have even lead to a new Asian Vehicle Guide.

Yep, you've got my agreement on that one as well.

Also, as others have mentioned before sourcebooks on individual US States / Regions that expanded on the material in Howling Wilderness would have been good I think.

[Rainbow Six]

Wasnt there a site with some ROK / DPRK missions some guy had made for a typical US unit trapped in that theatre ?
Something " dragon " or other ...

There's this site here

http://reocities.com/TimesSquare/Stadium/9022/t2new.html

[chico20854]

Keep in mind that the Twilight:2000 wiki (http://twilight2000.wikia.com/wiki/Twilight_2000_Wiki) is out there and has most likely pulled a lot of this information together into one spot.

As for expanding the scope into northeast Asia, lets just say there's a reason that I posted the Chinese and North Korean orbats a few months ago...

[Raellus]

And throw in Japan as well. The thread on Japan a month or two had tons of traffic for a while there. I can't believe that GDW didn't go there.

[GDWFan]

I like the idea of Japan and Korea being focused on.
I also thought about central and south america.
What I was really thinking about is where does the story go, the canon would expand unless you go V2 module style. What happens in the US and Europe