Favourite Civilian Pattern Car

[rcaf_777]

I was wondering if you had too, what civilian vehcile would chose if you had too. Here are some that I came up with, but for me nothing and I mean nothing says Twilight 2000 1st ed like racing around Teaxs in the Red Star Lone Star Mod driving the Ocsar Mayer Weiner Mobile, with the song blaring and my co driver blasting away with an AK-47, RUN IVAN RUN


Oh, I wish I was an Oscar Mayer weiner, that is what I'd truly like to be, 'cause if I were an Oscar Mayer weiner, everyone would be in love with me.

[mikeo80]

Better idea: IMHO

Oscar Meyer Weiner Mobile, tooling through Texas, Wagner's "Ride of the Valykyries" basting through the sound system.

OBTW:

The Hot DOg swivels to reveal a 5.56 chain gun.....:p

ROTF, LMAO with the visual in my head....Make it stop.....PLEASE, make it stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jimbo4795]

Parts should be easy to find, at least in North America and Europe. Also the modification possibilities are almost endless. Insert assorted Mad Max pictures here:D

[pmulcahy11b]

Yeah, how about an AMC Pacer!

[Panther Al]

OMG... next time I play, and its in the US, I am *so* doing the Gatling wiener-mobile. :)

[pmulcahy11b]

OMG... next time I play, and its in the US, I am *so* doing the Gatling wiener-mobile. :)

A Gatling shooting hot dogs!

[dragoon500ly]

Don't forget about the flamethrower mounted at the top of the "Hot" Dog!

[Targan]

Land Rover Defender.

[Rainbow Six]

Land Rover Defender.

Good call...

[LBraden]

Aye, good thing about the Series I - IV (Defender) Land Rovers is that most of the components are interchangeable, and the damn thing is that rugged its unbelievable to say the least.

Interesting Titbit of info, after we lost the SS Atlantic Conveyor to an Exocet during the Falklands, thus meaning the Army lost a tonne of Land Rovers, the military grabbed some "civvy spec" vehicles, and realised that it worked as good as the old "mil spec" that they had, so they ended up only asking for about 5 changes to the civvy spec for the new mil-spec ones, hence the Land Rover Wolf, that is now being withdrawn from frontline due to the increase in IED's since the troubles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_Series#Military

[dvyws]

I want a Ferrari Enzo, purely so that I can leave the site of any err, "unpleasantness" a hell of a lot faster than the bad guys can follow me.....

Or a Bentley Continental, so my chauffer can drive me away in style...

[Raellus]

Toyota Hilux crew cab. Toyota's are fairly durable, reliable, easy to maintain, and have decent class fuel mileage. If it's good enough for U.S. Special Forces, it's good enough for me.

[cavtroop]

Toyota Hilux crew cab. Toyota's are fairly durable, reliable, easy to maintain, and have decent class fuel mileage. If it's good enough for U.S. Special Forces, it's good enough for me.

I was just going to type this. They're EVERYWHERE (except the US since I think 2006), so part wouldn't be a problem, and they damn near indestructible, ask Top Gear :)

[LBraden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWKz7Cthkk - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTPnIpjodA8 - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnVZXQD5_k - Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl3bsL7Nbnk - Hilux as an Amphibious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTVPPTV-bQM - not a Hilux, but fixes one main problem.

Or you could go with this nice little runner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQh56geU0X8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdrlWR-yFM -- and that Glossop lot, its a bunch of bikers. I know them, I use to live there.

[waiting4something]

I want a Ferrari Enzo, purely so that I can leave the site of any err, "unpleasantness" a hell of a lot faster than the bad guys can follow me.....

Or a Bentley Continental, so my chauffer can drive me away in style...

I like that line of thought. Make mine a Ferrari Testarossa, that way I can feel like Sonny Crockett. I could also use it to pick up on scavenger babes thought the badlands. I'm sure that joyride would only last me like 30 minutes before the car is ruined from driving on damaged roads or someone lighting it up with weapons fire, but hey it was cool as ice for those few short moments. Without gas I'd be walking shortly anyway so why not enjoy one of your last drives of your life. I think your better off riding a horse or walking instead of driving a civilian car in the Twilight 2000 world. Your car can't stop shit and everyone sees and hears you coming.

[bobcat]

toyota hilux. or a Kia bongo truck.

hilux has MG mounts with a cheap COTs upgrade kit:D

bongo because you can carry an entire recce platoon loaded for bear and still have room for more guns plus it can take one helluva beating and keep going through the worst paths i've run them through (not that my old unit would ever "borrow" a vehicle from a local...:rolleyes:)

[helbent4]

I was just going to type this. They're EVERYWHERE (except the US since I think 2006), so part wouldn't be a problem, and they damn near indestructible, ask Top Gear :)

CT,

I think the Hilux is the brand name for what would be considered a 4Runner in North America. They are not exactly the same but similar enough for pretty much all purposes. If so, they are ubiquitous here, too.

Like the Land Rover replacements, in Canada and the USA similar civilian vehicles are also used for light military transport. I'm not sure what the American 3/4 ton truck equivalent is called, but in the last decade the CF has been buying the 2003 Chevy Silverado MILCOTS (Military Civilian Off the Shelf), aka "Milverado".

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/images/6_1/2004_10_12_Milcots_M.jpg

The Milverado supplements and replaces the Bombardier-built Iltis jeeps. Although buys only occurred in our timeline once additional wartime funding was allocated to the CF in 2003, there's no reason this process would not have taken place in the 90's in the leadup to or after war is declared.

Tony

[TiggerCCW UK]

Lamborghini LM002 :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-1tBhVcAXg

[Mohoender]

I'll be very french but my choice (T2K choice I mean) will go to two french cars. Either a citroen 2CV or a Peugeot 504 (If unavailable, I would go for the VW Bug). All had great strong points:

Citroën 2CV (deudeuche for those familiar with it):
- It will almost never die on you. In 1990, I found one dating back from 1954 in a dusty storage. It had not run for 15 years. We cleaned the engines and it started (also it couldn't run above 40mph). The fun part is that you still could start it by hand power.
- If it does, you can fix it with minimal tools. However, it is noisy very noisy.
- It can travel with 7 people in it (2 in the front, 3 in the back and 2 siting on the open roof) and still climb a hard slope (I'm sure as I did it, but actually we were 8:D).
- You can fit a weapon on the roof
- It will get you through rough terrain almost as well as a jeep

Peugeot 504
- As the deudeuche, it will never die on you.
- It can also be fixed with ease (ask those taxis still running in the middle of Africa)
- It is much bigger than the previous one
- If it's a diesel, it can run on 100% vegetable oil. As it will also run on domestic fuel you will seriously reduce your fuel supply problem (at least in Europe).

Whatever, Make a choice is hard but I would use a pre-1975 car. Even a "Trabant" will do fine. It was tricky but, in the end, it would always start.

[TiggerCCW UK]

The 504 is a great car - we had 4 or 5 of them over the years when I was growing up :) I don't remember us ever having any real mechanical problems with them at all.

[helbent4]

Mo,

The French vehicles are good choices! As long as it runs and is easy on maintenance, then there is a clear advantage. Off-road would be important, too, although most of the time it seems to me that PCs in vehicles tend to still stick the road. (Not all the time, but it seems when they need to go somewhere in a vehicle they need to go fast!)

I noticed something about RCAF's original choices. I don't think there is a "Chevy Roadmaster". There's the classic "Buick Roadmaster" (the same vehicle from Stephen King's From a Buick Eight). There's also the return of the mark in 1991 as basically a station wagon and then sedan.

http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/photos/1149000/1149338.1952.Buick.Roadmaster.jpg

Tony

[dvyws]

There's a small problem with the 2CV.

The bad guys aren't going to bother shooting at you. Four of them are going to wander over, pick it up, and turn it over so its on its roof and going nowhere.

[Someone not too popular had one of these when I was at college. We used to do this to his car about once a week. If we were in a good mood, we would let him get out first...]

Ah, the lighter side of the Apocalypse!

[Mohoender]

There's a small problem with the 2CV.

The bad guys aren't going to bother shooting at you. Four of them are going to wander over, pick it up, and turn it over so its on its roof and going nowhere.

[Someone not too popular had one of these when I was at college. We used to do this to his car about once a week. If we were in a good mood, we would let him get out first...]

Ah, the lighter side of the Apocalypse!

At least you need four bad guys. By the way you could have been brighter and the guy much less lucky. You can strip a 2CV of its body and remake it in less than 1:30 hour. To strip it of its body you need a simple key of 8 (for the 3 screws holding the sides), a crank of 19 ( for the 4 nuts holding the front part), for the hood you go by hand) and another key of 11 to get the doors. Then, you could have make it appear as normal until he would have opened the door.

I hope my words are the good ones.;)

Too bad you didn't know that at the time.:p

[dvyws]

No, the Mini had a more or less flat roof, while the 2CVs curved nicely. Phase 2 was rocking the car back and foreward until he was seasick....

Ah, we were a lovely buch! Supported the view I once heard that any group of sailors operating ashore in a game should check their morale as "barbarians"!

Anyway, the Mini is fairly nippy, even with those tiny wheels, and could leave the area before being caught and inverted.

[Mohoender]

No, the Mini had a more or less flat roof, while the 2CVs curved nicely. Phase 2 was rocking the car back and foreward until he was seasick....

Ah, we were a lovely buch! Supported the view I once heard that any group of sailors operating ashore in a game should check their morale as "barbarians"!

Anyway, the Mini is fairly nippy, even with those tiny wheels, and could leave the area before being caught and inverted.

Agree, I checked that's I why I changed

[Mohoender]

I bet you don't know what many people were saying: that a 2CV could make 0 to 60 in about a day.:)

[dvyws]

At least you need four bad guys. By the way you could have been brighter and the guy much less lucky. You can strip a 2CV of its body and remake it in less than 1:30 hour. To strip it of its body you need a simple key of 8 (for the 3 screws holding the sides), a crank of 19 ( for the 4 nuts holding the front part), for the hood you go by hand) and another key of 11 to get the doors. Then, you could have make it appear as normal until he would have opened the door.

I hope my words are the good ones.;)

Too bad you didn't know that at the time.:p

But.....

see, we were the Deck (seaman) trainees.

The engineers were our mortal enemies. (the 2CV owner was a [spit!] engineer).

Dismanting it was an engineer task, obviously.

As deck types, our options were limited to inverting it, repainting it [we did that once), or throwing it into the river Clyde - which would have been unseamanlike...

[dragoon500ly]

But.....

see, we were the Deck (seaman) trainees.

The engineers were our mortal enemies. (the 2CV owner was a [spit!] engineer).

Dismanting it was an engineer task, obviously.

As deck types, our options were limited to inverting it, repainting it [we did that once), or throwing it into the river Clyde - which would have been unseamanlike...

We tied one to a AVLB....then folded the bridge so the 2CV was left about 30 feet in the air.

Also saw a VW Beetle that tried to beat a M-60 tank through an intersection, didn't know that the front end could be squashed so flat!

[Mohoender]

Also saw a VW Beetle that tried to beat a M-60 tank through an intersection, didn't know that the front end could be squashed so flat!

Normal, the engine is at the rear. However, I once saw one doing the same with a BMW. The BMW had its front down, the VW simply had a scratch. M60 was simply a little too much.:p

[dragoon500ly]

When you start talking about civilian vehicles meeting military vehicles...

There is a story from Ft Knox, Kentucky about a M-60 tank and a 18-wheeler.

There is a highway called US 31E that cuts right through the middle of Ft Knox, the main maneuver area is on the south side of the post, while the gunnery ranges, gold vault, and main post or on the north side. There is a tank crossing that is marked and lighted to warn of movement of vehicles from one side to the other.

One night a tank crew of officers from the Officer Basic Armor Course were driving their tank through the crossing, a semi and trailer ran the warning lights and hit the tank just about dead center on its left side at what was later determined to be at a speed of 75+mph. The damage was extensive...

To the semi.

The semi was completely demolished, I was on the scene of the accident the next day and the only word to describe the wreckage was "confetti". Total damage to the tank...$600.00. The left rear sponson box and fender were destroyed.

[Mohoender]

This is Just a small list which shouldn’t be restrictive and, of course, availability is always the question. Some choices can be contested but they are quite handy.

Zastava 750/Fiat 600: Slightly bigger than the Fiat 500, it has been built from 1955-1985 (Italy, Latin America, Spain and Yugoslavia). Several are still in working order in Eastern and Western Europe as well as in Latin America. Good fuel consumption, poor off-road, simple and easy to fix.
Hindutan Ambassador: Built in India from 1958 up to the war, this is a simple and sturdy car. However, it is found mainly in India with a small number in Asia and a few in UK (in fact these are rare surviving Morris Oxford).
Dacia 1300/Renault R12: Built from 1969 up to the war, these can be found in Europe, all over the Mediterranean Basin, in the Balkans, South America and Australia.
Opel Blitz: Built in Germany up to the 1970's, this light truck can be found from time to time in Europe, Africa and Latin America
Zil 130: Simply the main civilian truck in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union. Most are now in the hands of the military.
Citroën Mehari: The main French off-road vehicle, it is seldom found off France. However, I consider, that production was resumed in the mid-1990’s, no more than a hundred a month. A little few might be found in the USA. LOL
Citroën 2CV: A top car again (no just kidding). It is found in Western Europe and Latin America. As for the Mehari, production was resumed in the mid-1990’s a a rate of a few hundreds every month. Slow very slow. Noisy, very noisy. But it will get through about anywhere and the van version is very handy.
Renault 4L: The most successful Renault, it is an old model dating back to 1961 but it is still in limited production. The van model is quite popular. They are found in Western Europe, the Balkans, Middle East, Africa, Latin America and Australia.
Renault Super Cinq: Still in limited production, they are found in Western Europe, in the Balkan but also in Latin America and the Middle East.
Peugeot 205: Still in limited production. They are found mostly in Western Europe.
Peugeot 405: Still in limited production. They are found in Western Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Latin America.
Peugeot 504: Production has ceased with the war except for the Pickup version. They are found in Western Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Latin America, China and Australia. IMO the best car to get in Europe.
Citroën GS: Production has ceased ten years before the war but several are still found in France and Western Europe but also in Latin America and Thailand.
Yamaha: Just for the motorbike. Can be another brand but I tend to use an enduro type.
Honda Civic: I chose it as the main Japanese Car. They can be found everywhere.
Toyata Crown: This is the main luxury car from Japan. Availability is in question but I would consider it extremely rare in Europe.
Datsun/Nissan 720: I took it for the main Japanese pickup (In fact, it can be any Japanese pickup). They are everywhere.
Nissan Patrol: Again, the main Japanese FWD (pick anyone you want). Again, they can be found everywhere.
Honda Acty: Either a small truck or a tiny van (known as Kei Truck), they remain quite common in Asia but also in Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East.
Mitsubishi L300: Simply a van.
Nissan Cabstar: the main surviving light truck.
Saab 900: Can be found in Europe and the USA but it is found mainly in Scandinavia. It is still in production.
Volvo 240: More common than the Saab, it obeys the same ideas.
BMW Motorbike: What would French cops do without them
VW Beetle: May be the most common civilian car for T2K. It can be found everywhere, and production ceased only with the war in Brazil.
VW Golf: Could still be quite common and sometimes in military use. I don’t expect to find it in Asia.
VW Passat: Almost like the golf when it comes to availability but also present in Asia (including China).
Audi 100: An executive car, I would expect some to be still running. It could be found in Europe, Africa and Asia (including China).
Mercedes: Either station wagon or sedan, I consider that several are still running everywhere.
Kürierwagen: Heir to the Kübelwagen, I just find it fun.
VW T2 and T3: The VW van, they should still be around and everywhere except may be in Asia and Soviet Union.
Vespa and Vespacar: No comments.
Fiat/Polski Fiat 126: Most were built in Poland and they could be quite common in Europe may be along the Fiat Panda.
Fiat Uno: A very common Fiat, it is found in Europe, in the Middle East, North Africa and Latin America.
Fiat Croma: Just like this.
Iveco Van: With the VW, the most common van in Europe.
Austin Mini: In normal version and pick up version. Could well be in limited production among HMG (especially the pick up). If it’s not it should be intended to put it back in production. It is quite common in Europe.
Opel/Vauxhall Cavalier (Ascona): You could find some in Europe.
Daimler 420: Don’t forget about the government’s pride.
Morgan: An anachronism today, an anachronism then.
Austin FX-4: Back in production and somewhat common in UK. HMG likes symbols. (Hi hi)
Harley: Hit the road
Chevrolet Bel Air: to have an older American car.
Ford LTD: the bases for the main car.
Cadillac Seville: Wasn’t it one in New York 1997?
Station Wagon: Just pick one.
Chevrolet 1946 step side: I love these and they are so many sitting in ones backyard.
GMC Van: I love these.
Jeep CJ3B: Or the Hotchkiss, the Mitsubishi…
Jeep CJ5: Or the M38 or the CJ7…
Jeep Cherokee: In both Europe and the USA.
Chevrolet Blazer: The regular.
Chevrolet Suburban: The Oversize.
Chevrolet C30: I was just looking for a crewcab.
Dnepr Motorbike:still the old BMW R75
Fiat/Lada 1200: Still common in Europe, Soviet Union and Elsewhere.
Oka: The small soviet car.
Volga: one for the party.
Lada Niva: quite common in Europe and Asia.

[bobcat]

how bout any bond car that actually has all the accessories working, and hasn't been abused, er, issued to 007.

[Graebarde]

Well being in the US, I prefer a late 60's Ford F100 4x4. Of course parts are harder to comeby, but they are better made IMO than the new ones. An alternative is an early model Toyota SR-5 4x4 with the 22R engine. IMO the best little four-cylinder going.. had one that I had 240K miles on and never had the valvecovers or pan off. ONLY problem I ever had was the tranny main bearing went at 70K and they fixed it for 1/2 the price normal, and a waterpump went.. strong little engine, vehicle light enough to be able to maneuver where heaver trucks couldn't, and still carry what you need...