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dude_uk
02-12-2011, 09:41 AM
The TA (and, to a certain extent the HSF) is probably well worth a thread of its own imho...
Well you asked!:D
So here it is a discussion point for everyone to display their thoughts and their opinion on British reserve forces, namely the Territorial Army, Home service force and Regular reserve. There is also the Royal Naval reserve, the RAF reserve and the Royal marines reserve, however I am unsure of the numbers of these in 1989. The British army reserve amounts to some 305,000 men in 1989, 86,000 territorials, and 5,000 home service force and 153,000 regular reserve.
The conventional defensive NATO vs. Warsaw Pact scenario planned by the British army made extensive use of the reserve forces. 2nd infantry Division used to reinforce British 1 Corps communications lines was made up of 2 T.A infantry Brigades. Plus it was assumed many missing gaps in personnel numbers in the regular armoured divisions would be brought up to War establishment by the regular reserve.
However, the twilight scenario is different: NATO goes on the offensive. 2nd infantry Division becomes 2nd armoured division, BOAR is reinforced with the 5th armoured division and a 6th infantry division is used in the Far East. Along with a Light Brigade in the Middle East, Britain’s forces are spread all over the world yet the mention of the reserves is barely there. Canon does note that the reserves are called up, in early 1995 and that for some reason territorials delegate themselves to town councils.
There is a very good TA lineage for the benefit of all at http://www.win.tue.nl/~drenth/BritArmy/Lineage/lineage.pdf. I believe someone posted it on here before.Many thanks to whomever that was. It covers most units that would be around during the cold war. However it does not include the medical units (If Anyone does have an ORBAT for all British medical units prior to options for change, I'd be very interested!)
So do you expand the reserve forces? What TA regiments Go rogue in 1997 after the soviet strikes?
Canadian Army
02-12-2011, 12:14 PM
OK, I will start, this what I came up with:
Army
Home Defence Command
39 (South East) Brigade - Shorncliffe, UK
E (Home Service Force) Company, 6th/7th (Volunteer) Battalion The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment.
E (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment
E (Home Service Force) Company, 4th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets
I (Home Service Force) Company, 5th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets
42nd (Northwest) Brigade - Chester, UK
3rd Battalion, The Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters Regiment (TA)
5th/8th Battalion (Volunteer), The King's Regiment (TA)
The London Regiment (TA)
3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, Cheshire Regiment (TA)
E (Home Service Force) Company, 5th/8th (Volunteer) Battalion, The King's Regiment
E (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Cheshire Regiment
F (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion, The Worcestershire & Sherwood Foresters Regiment
G (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion, The Worcestershire & Sherwood Foresters Regiment
F (Home Service Force) Company, 4th Battalion, The Worcestershire & Sherwood Foresters Regiment
43rd (Wessex) Brigade - Exeter, UK
The Royal Wessex Yeomanry (TA)
2nd Battalion (TA), The Wessex Regiment (Volunteers)
6th Battalion (TA), The Light Infantry
4th (Volunteer) Battalion (TA), The Devonshire and Dorset Regiment
302 (Home Service Force) Squadron, The Royal Corps of Transport
G (Home Service Force) Company, 4th Battalion, The Devon & Dorset Regiment
18 (Home Service Force) Platoon, 5th Battalion, The Light Infantry
E (Home Service Force) Company, 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Light Infantry
F (Home Service Force) Company, 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Light Infantry
E (Wiltshire Yeomanry) (Home Service Force) Squadron, The Royal Wessex Yeomanry
49 (East Midlands) Brigade - Chilwell, UK
H (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion, The Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire (Yorkshire Volunteers)
S (Home Service Force) Company, 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
E (Home Service Force) Company, 7th Battalion, The (Durham) Light Infantry (Volunteers)
347 Signals Squadron, (Home Service Force), 11 Signals Regiment, Royal Signals
300/301 (Home Service Force) Squadron, The Royal Corps of Transport
51st (Highland) Brigade - Stirling, UK
3rd (Volunteer) Battalion (TA), The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)
3rd (Volunteer) Battalion (TA), The Highlanders (Seaforth, Gordons and Camerons)
7th/8th (Volunteer) Battalion (TA), The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise's)
Z (Home Service Force) Company, 1st Battalion, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)
W (Home Service Force) Company, 7th/8th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders (Princess Louise's)
Y (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Highlanders (Seaforth, Gordons and Camerons)
X (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Highlanders (Seaforth, Gordons and Camerons)
52nd (Lowland) Brigade - Edinburgh, UK
3rd (Volunteer) Battalion (TA), The Royal Highland Fusiliers (Princess Margaret's Own Glasgow and Ayrshire Regiment)
1st Battalion, The Lowland Volunteers (TA)
F (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Highland Fusiliers (Princess Margaret's Own Glasgow and Ayrshire Regiment)
G (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Highland Fusiliers (Princess Margaret's Own Glasgow and Ayrshire Regiment)
5 (Home Service Force) Company, 1st Battalion, The Lowland Volunteers
54th (East Anglian) Brigade - Grantham, UK
3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (TA)
6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (TA)
3rd Battalion, The Duke of Wellington's Regiment (Yorkshire Volunteers) (TA)
H (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion the Duke of Wellington's Regiment (Yorkshire Volunteers)
I (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion the Duke of Wellington's Regiment (Yorkshire Volunteers)
F (Home Service Force) Company, 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment
5 (Home Service Force) Company, 5th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment
6 (Home Service Force) Company, 5th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment
E (Home Service Force) Company, 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment
E (Home Service Force) Company, 7th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment
56th (London) Brigade - London, UK
1st Battalion, The Welsh Guards
1st Battalion, The Coldstream Guards
1st Battalion, Irish Guards
2nd Battalion, Scots Guard
2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards
Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment (1x Life Guards Squadron and 1x The Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons) Squadron)
A (Home Service Force) Company, The Honourable Artillery Company
B (Home Service Force) Company, The Honourable Artillery Company
5 (Home Service Force) Company, 10th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Parachute Regiment
348 (Home Service Force) Squadron, The Inns of Court & City Yeomanry
H (Home Service Force) Company, 4th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets
107th (Ulster) Brigade – Londonderry, Northern Ireland
4th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
5th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
6th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
8th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
108th (Lisburn) Brigade – Lisburn, Northern Ireland
1st/9th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
3rd Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
7th/10th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
109th (Belfast) Brigade – Belfast, Northern Ireland
2nd Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
3rd Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
11th Battalion, Ulster Defence Regiment
143rd (West Midlands) Brigade - Shrewsbury, UK
The Royal Mercian and Lancastrian Yeomanry (TA)
West Midlands Regiment (TA)
D (Home Service Force) (Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry) Squadron, The Royal Mercian and Lancastrian Yeomanry
C (Home Service Force) Squadron, The Royal Mercian and Lancastrian Yeomanry
A (Home Service Force) Battery, 103 Air Defence (Lancashire Artillery Volunteers) Regiment, Royal Artillery
E (Home Service Force) Company, 4th (Volunteer) Battalion, The King's Own Royal Border Regiment
G (Home Service Force) Company, 5th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
E (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd Battalion, The Staffordshire Regiment (Prince of Wales')
160th (Welsh) Brigade - Brecon, UK
1st Battalion, The Regiment of Wales (Infantry Demonstration Unit)
2nd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Wales (TA)
3rd Battalion, The Royal Welch Fusiliers (TA)
E (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Welch Fusiliers
E (Home Service Force) Company, 3rd (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Wales
E (Home Service Force) Company, 4th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Wales
Officers' Training Corps
Aberdeen University Officer Training Corps
Queen's University Officer Training Corps
Birmingham University Officer Training Corps
Bristol University Officer Training Corps
Cambridge University Officer Training Corps
City Of Edinburgh University Officer Training Corps
East Midlands University Officer Training Corps
Exeter University Officer Training Corps
Glasgow and Strathclyde University Officer Training Corps
Leeds University Officer Training Corps
Liverpool University Officer Training Corps
Manchester and Salford University Officer Training Corps
Northumbrian University Officer Training Corps
Oxford University Officer Training Corps
Sheffield University Officer Training Corps
Southampton University Officer Training Corps
Tayforth University Officer Training Corps
University of London Officer Training Corps
Wales University Officer Training Corps
Overseas British Territorial Home Defence Units
The Royal Alderney Militia
The Royal Militia Island of Jersey
4th Battalion, The Caribbean Regiment (With Companies in Anguilla, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, the Turks and Caicos Islands, and the Bahamas)
2nd Battalion, The Bermuda Regiment
The Falkland Islands Defence Force (Regulars/Volunteers)
The Saint Helena Defence Force (Regulars/Volunteers)
The Gibraltar Regiment (Volunteers/Regulars)
The Royal Hong Kong Regiment (The Volunteers)
Royal Air Force Units:
Royal Observer Corps
ROC Headquarters
Group No 1: Maidstone
Group No 2: Horsham
Group No 3: Oxford
Group No 4: Colchester
Group No 5: Watford
Group No 6: Norwich
Group No 7: Bedford
Group No 8: Coventry
Group No 9: Yeovil
Group No 10: Exeter
Group No 11: Truro
Group No 12: Bristol
Group No 13: South Wales
Group No 14: Winchester
Group No 15: Lincoln
Group No 16: Shrewsbuy
Group No 17: North Wales
Group No 18: Leeds
Group No 20: York
Group No 21: Preston
Group No 22: Carlisle
Group No 23: Durham
Group No 24: Edinburgh
Group No 25: Ayr
Group No 27: Oban
Group No 28: Dundee
Group No 29: Aberdeen
Group No 30: Inverness
Group No 31: Belfast
The Royal Hong Kong Auxiliary Air Force
United Kingdom Warning and Monitoring Organization
The United Kingdom Warning and Monitoring Organismic (UKWMO) is a British civilian organization providing the authorities with data about nuclear explosions and forecasts of likely fallout profiles across the country in the event of war.
UKWMO Sector Controls
Metropolitan Sector: co-located with 2 Group Control Horsham
Midland Sector: co-located with 7 Group Control Bedford
Southern Sector: co-located with 12 Group Control Bristol
Eastern Eector: co-located with 15 Group Control Lincoln
Western Sector: co-located with 21 Group Control Preston
Scottish Sector: co-located with 28 Group Control Dundee
Rainbow Six
02-12-2011, 01:43 PM
Well you asked!:D
LOL, I certainly did. :D
OK, firstly here's my global British Army (and Royal Marines) orbat as of 01 December 1996 (i.e. after the shooting war starts in Norway but before the UK is involved in Germany). This includes Regular and TA units. I'm still working on a 01 June 2000 version.
A few notes / comments
1. Firstly, it is absolutely not canonical.
2. It is still a work in progress and still has a few gaps in it, most noticeably the Royal Signals, both Regular and TA. HSF and UDR are also not listed.
3. The framework is the Tanknet NATO orbat, with a few tweaks of my own. Whilst I've attempted to come up with something based on the Real World British Army orbat of the late 1980's. there are a few fictional formations / units. I have added two TA operational Brigades (44th Parachute and 51st Infantry - IRL 51st Infantry did exist but it was an administrative rather than operational command).
4. I haven't added any additional TA Bns to the real life late 1980's orbat, although am considering it after looking at LouieD's listing of TA Bns that he posted a little while ago.
5. Comments / feedback are most welcome.
British Army Worldwide Order of Battle, 01 December 1996
UK Special Forces
21 Special Air Service Regiment (TA)
22 Special Air Service Regiment
23 Special Air Service Regiment (TA)
Honourable Artillery Company (TA)
Special Boat Service, Royal Marines
Commachio Group, Royal Marines
SACEUR Reserve
5th Airborne Brigade
B Sqn, The Life Guards (Recce)
1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment
2nd Battalion, Parachute Regiment
2nd Battalion, 2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles
7 Parachute Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery
36 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
1. British Army of the Rhine
I British Corps
Corps Troops
4th Battalion, Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters (TA)
44th Parachute Brigade (TA)
4th Battalion, Parachute Regiment (TA)
10th Battalion, Parachute Regiment (TA)
15th Battalion, Parachute Regiment (TA)
Artillery Brigade
5 Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery
32 Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery
39 Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery
50 Missile Regiment, Royal Artillery
8th Battalion, Queen’s Fusiliers (TA)
7 Air Defence Brigade, Royal Artillery
12 Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery
22 Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery
102 (Ulster) Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
103 (Lancashire) Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
105 (Scottish) Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
29 Engineer Brigade
23 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
25 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
28 Amphibious Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
32 Armoured Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
31 Engineer Brigade
The Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (TA)
71 (Scottish) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (TA)
72 (Tyne Electrical Engineers) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (TA)
73 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (TA)
74 (Antrim Artillery) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (TA)
75 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (TA)
1st Mechanised Brigade
13th / 18th Royal Hussars (Recce; A and D Sqns only)
17th / 21st Lancers (B and D Sqns only)
1st Battalion, Devonshire and Dorset Regiment
1st Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment
1st Battalion, Wessex Regiment (TA)
26 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
22 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
1st Armoured Division
Queen’s Dragoon Guards (Recce)
7th Armoured Brigade
Royal Scots Dragoon Guards
2nd Royal Tank Regiment
3rd Battalion, Royal Green Jackets
4th Battalion, Royal Green Jackets (TA)
12th Armoured Brigade
5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards
1st Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers
1st Battalion, Royal Green Jackets
22nd Armoured Brigade
Queen’s Own Hussars
4th Royal Tank Regiment
1st Battalion, Scots Guards
2nd Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment
Divisional Artillery / Engineers
1 Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery
4 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
40 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
21 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
3rd Armoured Division
9th / 12th Royal Lancers (Recce)
4th Armoured Brigade
14th / 20th King’s Hussars (Less C Sqn)
15th / 19th King’s Royal Hussars
1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards
6th Armoured Brigade
1st Royal Tank Regiment
1st Battalion, Royal Highland Fusiliers
1st Battalion, Gordon Highlanders
33rd Armoured Brigade
Royal Hussars
1st Battalion, Prince of Wales’ Own Regiment of Yorkshire
1st Battalion, Queen’s Lancashire Regiment
Divisional Artillery / Engineers
2 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
19 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
47 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
26 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
4th Armoured Division
16th / 5th Queen’s Royal Lancers (Recce)
11th Armoured Brigade
3rd Royal Tank Regiment
2nd Battalion, Queen’s Regiment
1st Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
5th Battalion, Queen’s Regiment (TA)
20th Armoured Brigade
Blues and Royals
4th / 7th Royal Dragoon Guards
2nd Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers
5th / 8th Battalion, King’s Regiment (TA)
19th Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, King’s Own Royal Border Regiment
3rd Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment
2nd Battalion, Light Infantry
51st (Highland) Infantry Brigade (TA)
1st Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers (TA)
1st Battalion, 51st Highland Volunteers (TA)
2nd Battalion, 51st Highland Volunteers (TA)
Divisional Artillery / Engineers
3 Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery
45 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
49 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
35 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
2nd Infantry Division
4th Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers (TA)
5th Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers (TA)
4th Battalion, Queen’s Lancashire Regiment (TA)
24th Airmobile Brigade
1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
1st Battalion, Black Watch [Note 1]
1st Battalion, Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters
15th Infantry Brigade (TA)
Queen’s Own Yeomanry (Recce)
6th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
7th Battalion, Light Infantry
8th Battalion, Light Infantry
1st Battalion, Yorkshire Volunteers
2nd Battalion, Yorkshire Volunteers
49th Infantry Brigade (TA)
Royal Yeomanry (Recce)
5th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
5th Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment
7th Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment
5th Battalion, Light Infantry
3rd Battalion, Staffordshire Regiment
Divisional Artillery / Engineers
27 Field Regiment, Royal Artillery
100 Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
101 Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
38 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
Berlin Brigade [2]
C Squadron, 14th / 20th King’s Hussars
1st Battalion, King’s Regiment
3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers
1st Battalion, Duke of Edinburgh’s Royal Regiment
2. United Kingdom Land Forces
London District
Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment [3]
A Sqn, Life Guards [3]
2nd Battalion, Grenadier Guards [3]
1st Battalion, Coldstream Guards [3]
2nd Battalion, Scots Guards [3]
1st Battalion, Welsh Guards [3]
16 Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery
104 Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (TA)
101 (London) Engineer Regiment (EOD) (TA)
2nd (South East) Infantry Brigade
Duke of Lancaster’s Yeomanry (TA) (Recce)
6th / 7th Battalion, Queen’s Regiment (TA)
5th Battalion, Royal Green Jackets (TA)
42nd (Northwest) Infantry Brigade
3rd Battalion, Light Infantry [4]
4th Battalion, King’s Own Royal Border Regiment (TA)
3rd Battalion, Cheshire Regiment (TA)
43rd (Wessex) Infantry Brigade
Royal Wessex Yeomanry (TA) (Recce)
4th Battalion, Devonshire and Dorset Regiment (TA)
2nd Battalion, Wessex Regiment (TA)
6th Battalion, Light Infantry (TA)
52nd (Lowland) Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, Queen’s Own Highlanders [4]
2nd Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers (TA)
3rd Battalion, 51st Highland Volunteers (TA)
54th (East Anglian) Infantry Brigade
Queen’s Own Mercian Yeomanry (TA) (Recce) [4]
6th Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (TA)
3rd Battalion, Yorkshire Volunteers (TA)
4th Battalion, Yorkshire Volunteers (TA)
3rd Battalion, Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters (TA)
143rd (West Midlands) Infantry Brigade
2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers [4]
160th (Welsh) Infantry Brigade
3rd Battalion, Royal Welch Fusiliers (TA)
4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Wales (TA)
Royal Armoured Corps Centre Resident Regiment
Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars
Infantry Training Centre Resident Battalion
A Squadron, 17th / 21st Lancers
1st Battalion, Green Howards (Less C Company) [4]
School of Artillery Resident Regiment
14 Regiment, Royal Artillery
30 Engineer Brigade
39 Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (Air Field Support)
3. Northern Ireland
3rd Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, Light Infantry [4]
1st Battalion, Staffordshire Regiment [4]
8th Infantry Brigade
3rd Battalion, Queen’s Regiment [4]
1st Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment [5]
39th Infantry Brigade
2nd Battalion, Coldstream Guards [4]
1st Battalion, Royal Welch Fusiliers [4]
1st Battalion, Queen’s Regiment [6]
4. Overseas
Norway
UK Contingent, Allied Mobile Force (Land)
B Squadron, 13th / 18th Royal Hussars (Recce)
2nd Battalion, Royal Green Jackets
3rd Battalion, Parachute Regiment [7]
5 (Gibraltar 1779 – 1783) Battery, Royal Artillery
3 Commando Brigade, Royal Marines
C Squadron, Life Guards (Recce)
Mountain and Arctic Warfare Cadre
40 Commando, Royal Marines [8]
42 Commando, Royal Marines
45 Commando, Royal Marines
1st Battalion, Royal Netherlands Marines Corps
29 Commando Regiment, Royal Artillery
59 Commando Squadron, Royal Engineers
Middle East
25th Infantry Brigade
C Squadron, 13th / 18th Royal Hussars (Recce)
1st Battalion, King’s Own Scottish Borderers [9]
1st Battalion, 6th Queen Elizabeth’s Own Gurkha Rifles
1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh’s Own Gurkha Rifles
Cyprus
Joint Service Signal Unit (Cyprus) (Operated on behalf of GCHQ)
Sovereign Base Area West
1st Battalion, Irish Guards
62 Squadron, Royal Engineers
Sovereign Base Area East
3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Wales (TA) [10]
UN Forces [11]
Recce Troop, 17th / 21st Lancers
B Company, 1st Battalion, Royal Hampshire Regiment
Brunei
Jungle Warfare Training Centre
1st Battalion, 10th Princess Mary’s Own Gurkha Rifles
Falkland Islands
C Company, 1st Battalion, Green Howards
Falkland Islands Defence Force
Gibraltar
1st Battalion, Duke of Wellington’s Regiment
The Royal Gibraltar Regiment (Reserve)
Canada
C Squadron, 17th / 21st Lancers
1st Battalion, Cheshire Regiment
1st Battalion, Royal Hampshire Regiment (Less B Company)
Hong Kong
41 Commando, Royal Marines
The Queen’s Gurkha Engineers
The Royal Hong Kong Regiment (Volunteers)
48th (Gurkha) Infantry Brigade
1st Battalion, Royal Scots
1st Battalion, 2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles
2nd Battalion, 6th Queen Elizabeth’s Own Gurkha Rifles
2nd Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh’s Own Gurkha Rifles
Notes
1. Withdrawn from roulement tour of Northern Ireland Nov 1996
2. Not subordinate to BAOR
3. Forms part of HMG Special Duties Force in time of War
4. Deploys to Europe as part of 5th Inf Dvn, Summer 1998; NI units withdraw from NI during 1997, to be replaced by UDR Battalions
5. On roulement from 02nd Infantry Brigade; will rejoin 02nd Bde Dec 1996
6. On roulement from 1st Infantry Brigade; transferred to BAOR January 1997
7. Transferred from roulement tour of Northern Ireland to AMF(L) Nov 1996 following withdrawal of Belgian contingent; will transit to Middle East summer 1997
8. Withdrawn from roulement tour of Northern Ireland Oct 1996
9. Transferred from Cyprus Aug 1996; replaced with 3 RRW
10. TA unit with BAOR tasking; deployed to Cyprus Aug 1996 as contingency measure to replace 1 KOSB
11. UN Forces not currently under national command.
Rainbow Six
02-12-2011, 02:04 PM
What TA regiments Go rogue in 1997 after the soviet strikes?
This is some of what I have
3/51st Highland Volunteers - core of Republic of Scotland armed forces
3 Royal Welch Fusiliers - core of Welsh Government forces
4 RRW - suffered heavy casualties during strikes on south Wales; disbanded, personnel split up, some serving with Welsh forces, others have turned marauder / mercenary
3 Cheshire - destroyed in nuclear attacks on Liverpool / Manchester area. Small number of survivors can be found throughout the area in both lawful and unlawful groups. Some personnel have made their way into Wales and are serving with Welsh Govt forces
3 Worcestershire and Sherwood Foresters - split up into numerous small lawful and unlawful groups after 1997 nuclear exchanges. One group of several hundred now forms core of Free City of Leicester defence force
3 / 4 Yorks - amalgamated into single Bn; intact, loyal to HMG, based Catterick
4 King's Royal Border - Intact; no longer accepting orders from higher command and serving as local defence force for town of Carlisle.
2/52nd Lowland - Bn split up into numerous small groups after 1997 nuclear exchanges; some personnel incorporated into Republic of Scotland forces, others serving as core of the Border Reivers maruader group
5 Royal Anglian - Intact; no longer accepting orders from higher command and serving as local defence force for city og Norwich
6/7 Queens, 6 LI, 2 Wessex and (most of) 4 D and D - intact, loyal to HMG, based southern England.
Louied
02-22-2011, 10:21 PM
Hey Rainbow PM me when you get a chance.
rcaf_777
02-23-2011, 02:20 PM
Canada
C Squadron, 17th / 21st Lancers
1st Battalion, Cheshire Regiment
1st Battalion, Royal Hampshire Regiment (Less B Company)
The British Army Training Unit Suffield as it is call BATUS is is a British Army unit located at the vast training area of Canadian Forces Base Suffield in Alberta, Canada. BATUS is the British Army's largest armoured training facility and it can accommodate live-firing and tactical effect simulation (TES) exercises up to brigade level. BATUS conducts training from May to October each year. This normally consists of 4 to 6 battlegroups (BGs) each exercising for around 24 days each, supported by the BATUS permanent and temporary staff and a dedicated enemy. It fleet consits of 40 Challenger 2 (would only be 1 in TW 2000) tanks, 60 Warrior tracked armoured vehicles, and a similar number of CVR(T) and AFVs, a fleet of wheeled vehicles
Here's it Sub Units
HQ BATUS
Resident OPFOR - rotated every year, this is made up either of an armoured regiment or infantry battalion
29 Flight, Army Air Corps - The unit uses unarmed Gazelle helicopters for CASVAC and Command and Control
105 Logistic Support Squadron, Royal Logistic Corps
BATUS REME Workshop
Given the nature of this unit and German Army Training Establishment Shilo (GATES), I would think that both Germany and the UK would have there Soliders and Vehicles returned as they will need them given there is a war going on. There is Challenger Article that talks about a German-Anglo Unit based the permis that BATUS and GATES were left fullly entacted back in Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Shilo Info on GATES
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_Training_Unit_Suffield Info on BATUS
Rainbow Six
02-23-2011, 03:02 PM
Given the nature of this unit and German Army Training Establishment Shilo (GATES), I would think that both Germany and the UK would have there Soliders and Vehicles returned as they will need them given there is a war going on. There is Challenger Article that talks about a German-Anglo Unit based the permis that BATUS and GATES were left fullly entacted back in Canada
I agree with the suggestion that it would seem likely that UK and German units would be brought back from Canada quite quickly once the shooting starts.
That said, in an attempt to offer a rational reason why they do stay in Canada (per the Challenge article) I suppose one could argue that it might be down to shipping shortages. I'm also partial to the idea that the Anglo German forces in Canada were earmarked to provide a NATO contribution to US forces in Korea and were scheduled to go from Canada straight to Korea until the 1997 nuclear exchanges put paid to that plan.
In my T2K World I've opted to follow the canon established in Challenge and leave the Anglo German Brigade in Canada. It does, I suppose, give an interesting option for playing a slightly out of the ordinary PC in a North American campaign.
Sanjuro
02-23-2011, 06:37 PM
One set of units missing from the above lists is the University Air Squadrons- IIRC until the early 90s defence cuts there were 16 of them, with anything from 4 to 10 aircraft each.
The aircraft was the Scottish Aviation Bulldog; as I have mentioned in another thread, there were some exercises carried out using the 'Dog as a low-cost, longish endurance recon and communications aircraft. It could also land in a 100 metre strip (I've seen it done!) so it could conceivably be used for agent insertion/retrieval if no helos were available.
The instructors were all serving RAF pilots; maintainance was carried out by civilian contractors. Bases could either be RAF stations, or at civilian airports.
The UASs were really training units, aiming to present the RAF with graduates a little better prepared for pilot training; however, at times before and since (and on an opportunity basis when I was a member in the 1980s) more overtly military training was added in.
My personal collection was about 100 hours flying (including low-level flying, aerobatics, navigation and some instrument flying); qualifying to basic service standard with the SLR; NBC training including sessions in CS gas chambers; a cross-country skiing and arctic survival course in Norway; and mooning a Soviet spy trawler somewhere in the North Atlantic from the side dome window of a Nimrod!
I'm not sure how any of this would translate into game stats or skills, but if you wanted a PC a bit different from the average infantryman or tanker, how about a drafted student, possibly only 19 or so, who has limited military skills, high stats, low rads, and knows where he crashed his Bulldog, when no other aircraft was available?
Canadian Army
02-24-2011, 12:57 PM
mooning a Soviet spy trawler somewhere in the North Atlantic from the side dome window of a Nimrod!
Way to do your bit for God, King, and Country.
Any way, here is a list of University Royal Naval Units (URNU) and University Air Squadrons.
University Royal Naval Units
Each URNU has up to four training officers (members of the Royal Naval Reserve) and a dedicated training vessel (an Archer-class P2000 fast patrol boat), but for Twilight 2000 I have them with a mixture of Loyal class and Attacker class Ships.URNU ships are part of the Inshore Training Squadron; with the commander of the Inshore Training Squadronis also Commander URNU.
Aberdeen University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Chaser (P282); Attacker class
Birmingham University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Helper (P157); Loyal class
Bristol University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Safeguard (P286); Attacker class
Cambridge University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Watcher (P159); Loyal class
Glasgow University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Attacker (P281); Attacker class
Liverpool University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Striker (P285); Attacker class
London University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Hunter (P284); Attacker class
Manchester & Salford University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Mediator (A161); Loyal class
Northumbrian University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Factor (P382); Loyal class
Oxford University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Chancellor (P177); Loyal class
Southampton University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Fencer (P283); Attacker class
Sussex University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Swift (P287); Attacker class
Wales University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Moderator (P220); Loyal class
Yorkshire University Royal Naval Unit - HMS Loyal Proctor (P1771); Loyal class
University Air Squadrons
Aberdeen University Air Squadron
Aberystwyth University Air Squadron
Aberdeen, Dundee and St. Andrews University Air Squadron
Belfast University Air Squadron
Birmingham University Air Squadron
Bristol University Air Squadron
Cambridge University Air Squadron
Cardiff University Air Squadron
Derby University Air Squadron
Durham University Air Squadron
East Lowlands University Air Squadron
East Midlands University Air Squadron
East of Scotland Universities Air Squadron
Edinburgh University Air Squadron
Exeter University Air Squadron
Glasgow University Air Squadron
Hull University Air Squadron
Leeds University Air Squadron
Liverpool University Air Squadron
London University Air Squadron
Manchester and Salford Universities Air Squadron
Manchester University Air Squadron
Northumbrian Universities Air Squadron
Nottingham University Air Squadron
Oxford University Air Squadron
Perth University Air Squadron
Queen's University Air Squadron
St. Andrews University Air Squadron
St. Andrews and Dundee Universities Air Squadron
Southampton University Air Squadron
Swansea University Air Squadron
Universities of Glasgow and Strathclyde Air Squadron
University of Birmingham Air Squadron
University of Liverpool Air Squadron
University of London Air Squadron
University of Wales Air Squadron
Wales University Air Squadron
Wolverhampton University Air Squadron
Yatesbury University Air Squadron
Yorkshire Universities Air Squadron
Sanjuro
02-26-2011, 05:17 PM
Way to do your bit for God, King, and Country.
Duty above all!
A few too many UASs there; Glasgow UAS became UGSAS after Strathclyde University was formed; Aberdeen students went to Aberdeen, Dundee and St. Andrews UAS; Northern Ireland's only UAS was Queens' UAS, Perth didn't actually have a university! I'll try and find some of my old records to name all 16 UASs from the 80s.
However, that's just me being overly picky- the increase in the number of UK universities in the 1990s could, in a period of increasing tensions, have had a corresponding increase in UAS numbers, to increase the throughflow of students into RAF flying training. Conceivably, the remaining DH Chipmunks then being used by the Air Experience Flights could have been returned to the UASs.
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