Initial Issue Kits

[dragoon500ly]

This represents way too much free time on my hands over the last twenty some odd years!

Anywho!

I've always had issues with the initial equipment loads in TM 1-1, I feel that throwing a team to the woves in a post-TEOTWAWKI scenario with what boils down to a couple of weeks of food, a basic load of ammunition and a change of underwear is, at best, a waste of resources. Soooo here are my takes on a few of the Project's "packs". Please feel free to flame away, I am wearing my fire-proof thong! :p

This first post deals with the Basic Pack. This is a tad on the heavy side at 58kg! But this will give a team member sufficient equipment for about 30 days of use.

Duffel Bag
Personal Effects Satchel
PASGT Helmet
Interceptor Armor Vest w/2 trauma plates
ITLBV Vest w/patrol & mission packs
Equipment Belt
M-12 Holster, Ambidextrous
M-9 Bayonet/Knife w/Carrier OR Combat Knife w/Sheath
Entrenching Tool w/Carrier
2 1l Canteens w/Cup & Carriers
2l Canteen w/Cover
5l Bladder Canteen w/Cover
M-1 NBC Kit
M-40 Mask w/Carrier
AN/PAQ-4C Infrared Aiming Light
AN/PVS-7B Night Vision Goggles
AN/PRC-129 Hand Radio
Personal First Aid Kit
Personal Drug Kit
Leatherman Knife w/carrier
Personal Weapons Cleaning Kit
Personal Survival Kit
Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier
Mag Lite (4 D-cell size)
8 prs Battle Dress Uniforms (2 gray, 6 in woodland)
12 pairs Wool Socks
2 pairs Combat Boots
12 pairs OD Underwear
12 Olive Drab Tee-shirts
Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat
2 Watch Caps
2 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat
2 Commando Sweaters
3 prs, Thermal Underwear
OD Green Wool Scarf
4 Neckerchiefs
2 prs Blk Leather Gloves
4 pairs Wool Inserts
Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern
Personal Tent, woodland pattern
2 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern
Sleeping Bag
2 Wool Blankets
Self-Inflating Bedroll
Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover
Mosquito Net
Basic Toilet Kit
3 Bath Towels
100m Cotton Twine
10m of 11mm Nylon Line
50m Parachute Cord
2 Emergency Candles
Mess Kit
7 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (42 bars)
6 assorted Meals-Ready-To-Eat
Personal Stove
10 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (30bars)
6 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (300 total)
2 Magnesium Firestarters
3 bottles Water Purification Tablets (150 tabs)
Map Case, containing:
Tritium Compass w/Carrier
Ranger Compass
Protractor
Stainless Steel Signal Mirror
4 Field Message Pads
2 "Bic" Lighters
Camouflage Compact
Pen w/6 reload cartridges
6 #2 Pencils
Mechanical Pencil w/12 reloads
4 Grease Pencils (Red, Green, 2 Black)

[Matt W]

Pretty good. Of course, everyone has their own ideas on what is appropriate. Personally, I'm leaning towards the "mothership" idea: reduce the amount of INDIVIDUAL stuff and increase the amount of team/vehicle stuff. That way you can have things like a team allocation of stationery


(see http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=2504&highlight=mothership)

[ArmySGT.]

There is no way that could fit into an ALICE large and I am guessing not into a CFP-90 either.

Why not break it down into

Worn

LBE

Rucksack (bergen for the Brits n ANZACS).

Duffle bag

Also yours is a packing list with equipment not yet issued in 1989, so what would you go with if limited upto the 18 November, 1989 time date?

[ArmySGT.]

Revised by myself from your list.

Worn:

Combat Boots
Battle Dress Uniform Gray or Woodland)
BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat (temperate)
Blk Leather Gloves w/ wool inserts (in cold weather)
Commando Sweaters (in cold weather)
Neckerchiefs (temperate)
OD Green Wool Scarf(in cold weather)
OD Underwear
Olive Drab Tee-shirts
Thermal Underwear(in cold weather)
Watch Caps (in cold weather)
Wool Socks

LBE/LBV
2 1l Canteens w/Cup & Carriers
2l Canteen w/Cover
AN/PRC-129 Hand Radio
Entrenching Tool w/Carrier
Equipment Belt
Interceptor Armor Vest w/2 trauma plates
ITLBV Vest w/patrol & mission packs
Leatherman Knife w/carrier
M-12 Holster, Ambidextrous
M-40 Mask w/Carrier
M-9 Bayonet/Knife w/Carrier OR Combat Knife w/Sheath
Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier
PASGT Helmet
Personal Drug Kit
Personal Effects Satchel
Personal First Aid Kit
Personal Survival Kit
Protractor
Ranger Compass
Stainless Steel Signal Mirror

Rucksack
1 Bath Towels
1 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern
1 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat (unless worn)
1 bottles Water Purification Tablets (50 tabs)
1 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (50 total)
1 Commando Sweaters (unless worn)
1 Magnesium Firestarters
1 Neckerchiefs (unless worn)
1 prs Blk Leather Gloves (unless worn)
1 prs, Thermal Underwear (unless worn)
1 Watch Caps (unless worn)
100m Cotton Twine
10m of 11mm Nylon Line
2 Emergency Candles
2 pairs Wool Inserts (unless worn)
2 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (12 bars)
2 Wool Blankets (optional summer use)
3 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (9bars)
3prs Battle Dress Uniforms ( gray or woodland w/ 1 worn)
4 Olive Drab Tee-shirts
4 pairs OD Underwear
4 pairs Wool Socks
50m Parachute Cord
5l Bladder Canteen w/Cover
6 assorted Meals-Ready-To-Eat
AN/PVS-7B Night Vision Goggles
Basic Toilet Kit
Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat
Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover (Summer W/o tent)
M-1 NBC Kit
Mess Kit
Mini-Mag Lite w/Carrier
Mosquito Net (in season)
OD Green Wool Scarf (unless worn)
Personal Stove
Personal Tent, woodland pattern
Personal Weapons Cleaning Kit
Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern (unless worn)
Self-Inflating Bedroll
Sleeping Bag (Fall/ Winter)


Duffle
1 BDU pattern Ground Sheets, woodland pattern
1 BDU-pattern Field Caps, woodland pat
1 Commando Sweaters
1 Magnesium Firestarters
1 pairs Combat Boots
1 prs Blk Leather Gloves
1 Watch Caps
2 Bath Towels
2 bottles Water Purification Tablets (100 tabs)
2 pairs Wool Inserts
2 prs, Thermal Underwear
2 Wool Blankets (Winter)
3 Neckerchiefs
5 boxes Wind & Waterproof Matches (250 total)
5 pouches Emergency Ration Bars (30 bars)
5 prs Battle Dress Uniforms (gray or woodland)
7 pouches Trioxane Fuel Tablets (21bars)
8 Olive Drab Tee-shirts
8 pairs OD Underwear
8 pairs Wool Socks
Basic Toilet Kit
Duffel Bag
Gore-Tex Rainsuit, woodland pat
Gore-Tex Sleeping Bag Cover (Summer)
Mosquito Net (winter)
OD Green Wool Scarf
Personal Stove
Personal Tent, woodland pattern
Poncho w/Liner, both in woodland pattern
Sleeping Bag (Summer)


Map Case

2 "Bic" Lighters
4 Field Message Pads
4 Grease Pencils (Red, Green, 2 Black)
6 #2 Pencils
Camouflage Compact
Mechanical Pencil w/12 reloads
Pen w/6 reload cartridges
Protractor
Ranger Compass
Stainless Steel Signal Mirror
Tritium Compass w/Carrier

[dragoon500ly]

It actually breaks down into three loads, a duffel bag with spare clothing and cold weather gear, a rucksack and a tacvest....

I've never seen the need to break down exactly what was carried where, with the exception of anything man-portable. I've always assumed that if the player doesn't have it listed on their vest/rucksack, then its in their duffel bag.

[dragoon500ly]

Here is my take on the Trade Pack

20 Gold Double Eagle Coins
60 Silver Dollars
1 roll each of quarters, dimes, nickels and pennies
12 Toilet Kits (toothbrush w/case; tooth powder, 2 small bars of soap, straight razor, shaving powder, wash cloth and a hand towel)

12 Comb & Brush Sets
36 asstd. mini-bottles of alcohol
12 Nylon Rain Ponchos
24 Space Blankets
12 Fishing Kits
24 Swiss Army knives
12 Hunting Knives
6 “Leatherman” multitool
6 100-rd boxes of .22LR ammo
48 250gm Packs of Candy
24 12-packs chewing gum
36 assorted Calumet light sticks
6 cartons of Cigarettes
1 box of Cigars
24 AAA Ni-Cad Batteries
24 AA Ni-Cad Batteries
12 C Ni-Cad Batteries
12 D Ni-Cad Batteries
10 Solar-powered Battery rechargers
12 Small Game Traps
6 Throw Nets
6 Stainless Steel Mirrors
64 Disposable Lighters
64 Perfume Packages (tester packs)
96 Instant Coffee packets
48 Tea packets
24 Kool-Aid drink packets
3 rolls 60ftx10ft of 5ml Clear Plastic
12 boxes astd nuts, bolts, screws and nails

[ArmySGT.]

It actually breaks down into three loads, a duffel bag with spare clothing and cold weather gear, a rucksack and a tacvest....

I've never seen the need to break down exactly what was carried where, with the exception of anything man-portable. I've always assumed that if the player doesn't have it listed on their vest/rucksack, then its in their duffel bag.

I do it because, well, things get stolen or lost. Then you can play out what is gone; and don't spend time with players begging that the spare parts kits they need for the 40Mw Pulse rifle was really in the bag, not lost. Vehicles get damaged and if the energy from an RPG-7 gets through the armor, the players duffle might be in the way, and get burnt up. That sort of thing.

Theft really motivates Players and makes for impromptu side adventures.

[ArmySGT.]

According to 3rd edition and PF 001

You get..........................

Worn
Coveralls "Resist Weave" w/ zip on hood, patches, and name tape
Boots, armored
Beret
Underwear
MP ID card
Pocket knife w/ 2 blades, can & bottle opener, and screwdriver

Belt
Canteen with cup and pouch, 1 liter
Compass
Holster
KCB-70
M17A1 Protective Mask (in separate carrier)
A/N PRC-68 Radio
Medkit
M1 CBR Kit
Ammo Pouch x2 (Shoulder weapon)
Ammo Pouch Sidearm

Rucksack
Alice Pack (unspecified)
Alice Pack, Frame with straps, belt, and kidney pad
Canteen, folding 5 liter
Rations, Dehydrated, x14 days
Mess, Kit aluminium
Flashlight
Matches
Kit, Weapons Cleaning
Cord, Nylon 50m
Kit, Toilet
Clothes, Change (unspecified) x2
Underwear x2
Poncho, Water proof
Bag, sleeping, Light weight (Summer?)

[dragoon500ly]

In my FTF games, the players note the contents of their tacvest and pockets on the front of a 3x5 card, the contents of their patrol pack on the back and anything not listed is in the duffel bag.

[mikeo80]

In my FTF games, the players note the contents of their tacvest and pockets on the front of a 3x5 card, the contents of their patrol pack on the back and anything not listed is in the duffel bag.

One of the nice little extras I have seen in different games was the idea of a shoe box, filled with whatever goodies the PC wanted.

I thought it worked well, give the PC something from "home" but not adding a huge amount of volume or weight. One of my PC's had a pipe, 5 lbs of pipe tobacco, couple of Bic lighters, Pipe cleaners, and a Pint of Scotch (for medicinal purposes only!!)

[ArmySGT.]

Cold Weather kit (individual)
Cap, Wool Knit, Black in color 1
Sunglasses or Goggles, Photosensitive 1 Pair
Scarf, Wool, White in color 1
Parka w/ detachable hood, Gortex shell, White in color 1
Mittens, Shooting, w/ leather shell 1 Pair
Liners, Mitten, Wool, Green in color 2 Pair
Pants, Field, Wool, White in color w/ Cargo pockets 2 Pair
Boots, Insulated, black in color 1 Pair
Sweater, Wool, "Commando" Green in color 1
Set, Underwear, long, green in color 2
Socks, wool, thick, wool 6 Pair
Stove, Individual 1
Tablets, heating, stove 50
Salve, wind and sun, 4 oz 1
Bottle, plastic, Lubricant, Weapons, Cold weather 1
Snow shoes, Aluminium 1 Pair

Cold Weather kit (Team)
Tent, Dome, Free standing, 4 man 1
Stove, camping, "Optimus" w/ 24 hours fuel 1
Saw, Ice 1
Blanket, Space, with white in color exterior 4
Kit, Weapons Maintenance, cold weather 1
Starter, fire, "fire stick" 1

[ArmySGT.]

Desert Terrain Kit (Individual)
Hat, wide brim, "Boonie" Green in color 1
Sunglasses / Goggles, Photosensitive 1
Socks, Thick, wool, 6
Can, Cream, sunburn, 6oz 1
Can, Sunblock, 6oz 1
Bottle, Lubricant, Weapons, desert, 2oz 1
Filter, Water, "Katadyn" 1
Bottle,Water purifying, 50 tablets 1
Kit, Water Condensing, "Solar Still" 1
Canteen, 1 liter 1
Coveralls, Desert Camoflage 1
Tool, entrenching w/ oak handle 1
Mirror, signal, stainless steel 1
Manual, Desert survival (Project issue) 1
Sweater, Tan 1
Jacket, Field, Desert Camouflage 1
Bottle, rubbing alcohol, 10oz 1
Bandana, tan, desert camoflage 1
Container, 5 gallon, water, collapsible 1

Desert Terrain kit (Team)
Tent, Free standing dome, four man, Green in color 1
Stove, Camping w/ 24 hours fuel 1
Kit, weapons Maintenance, Desert terrain 1
Air conditioner, Vehicle mounted, enclosed vehicle 1 per
Container, water, 75 Liter, "thermos" 1
Net, camouflage, 20' x 20' w/stake, guys, poles 1
Fly, Desert, open, desert camouflage 1