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09-10-2008, 04:02 AM
TiggerCCW UK 05-06-2008, 07:09 AM Are these two vehicles essentially the same? One of my players has become obsessed with getting a Stryker, after reading Colby Buzzel's 'My War' (an excellent read BTW). I've tried explaining that the Stryker doesn't exist in the T2K world, but he won't take no for an answer. To keep him happy I was thinking of giving the group a LAV-300 to make the journey from Virginia to New York where they will be doing Armies Of The Night.
In essence I thought that the LAV-300 was essentially an early version of the Stryker - is this true?
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Targan 05-06-2008, 07:18 AM I know this doesn't answer your question but as I said in a recent post at the 93Games Studio site I am pretty sure the LAV III and Stryker are both based on the Australian Army's ASLAV which itself was based on the LAV 25 used by the USMC.
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pmulcahy 05-06-2008, 08:33 AM OK...there are a number of vehicles -- the LAV-100, the LAV-150, the LAV-300, the LAV-600, the ASV-150 -- that were originally designed by Cadillac-Gage and were originally called the V-100, V-150, V-300, V-600, etc. Production and ownership has changed hands and I don't know whose products these vehicles are at this point, but they are still produced and for sale.
On the other hand, the LAV-25 and its variants, and the LAV III and its variants (including the Stryker) are based on the MOWAG Piranha series. Originally a Swiss-owned company, MOWAG is now a subsidiary of General Motors Defense of Canada. The Stryker variant of the LAV III is license-produced in the US by General Motors; their license is issued by MOWAG who is, in turn, owned by GM Canada (damn, that gives me a headache just thinking about the sort of legal silliness going on there!).
Anyway, the Cadillac-Gage vehicles and the GM Canada vehicles, though they may have similar designations, are not related. But, just because I'm in a bad mood, let me give you another reason to pop some Advil -- many of the turrets of the Cadillac-Gage LAVs and the GM Canada LAVs are quite easy to interchange!
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Headquarters 05-06-2008, 03:31 PM kill that player off..have him run over by a LAV-25 from the book.
hehe
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pmulcahy 05-06-2008, 06:29 PM kill that player off..have him run over by a LAV-25 from the book.
hehe
As should happen to all rules lawyers -- hoist them on their own petard! Do it Tigger! Do it! Do it! :firedevil
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General Pain 05-07-2008, 01:22 AM Are these two vehicles essentially the same? One of my players has become obsessed with getting a Stryker, after reading Colby Buzzel's 'My War' (an excellent read BTW). I've tried explaining that the Stryker doesn't exist in the T2K world, but he won't take no for an answer. To keep him happy I was thinking of giving the group a LAV-300 to make the journey from Virginia to New York where they will be doing Armies Of The Night.
In essence I thought that the LAV-300 was essentially an early version of the Stryker - is this true?
U could offcourse give him one in boxes (unasembled)....then he just need a mechanic,fuel ammo etc....getting those items could prove to be a nice side-adventure
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General Pain 05-07-2008, 01:24 AM As should happen to all rules lawyers -- hoist them on their own petard! Do it Tigger! Do it! Do it! :firedevil
Damn those rulius-magistarius types he he
on the other hand u could allways hand out a stryker to the enemy.
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pmulcahy 05-07-2008, 05:59 AM U could offcourse give him one in boxes (unasembled)....then he just need a mechanic,fuel ammo etc....getting those items could prove to be a nice side-adventure
Give him the boxes, and then have them fall on him, squashing him! :firedevil
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TiggerCCW UK 05-07-2008, 02:01 PM Thanks for the info folks. Paul, General Pain, you're both in maleovalent form today :firedevil I thought I was grumpy because I had to spend the day on a pointless training course and then work tonight, but you guys have me beat :biggrin:
I'll probably let them have a LAV 300 just to keep him quiet. Its only while they're heading to New York anyway, then they'll have to leave it behind.
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In essence I thought that the LAV-300 was essentially an early version of the Stryker - is this true?
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Targan 05-06-2008, 07:18 AM I know this doesn't answer your question but as I said in a recent post at the 93Games Studio site I am pretty sure the LAV III and Stryker are both based on the Australian Army's ASLAV which itself was based on the LAV 25 used by the USMC.
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pmulcahy 05-06-2008, 08:33 AM OK...there are a number of vehicles -- the LAV-100, the LAV-150, the LAV-300, the LAV-600, the ASV-150 -- that were originally designed by Cadillac-Gage and were originally called the V-100, V-150, V-300, V-600, etc. Production and ownership has changed hands and I don't know whose products these vehicles are at this point, but they are still produced and for sale.
On the other hand, the LAV-25 and its variants, and the LAV III and its variants (including the Stryker) are based on the MOWAG Piranha series. Originally a Swiss-owned company, MOWAG is now a subsidiary of General Motors Defense of Canada. The Stryker variant of the LAV III is license-produced in the US by General Motors; their license is issued by MOWAG who is, in turn, owned by GM Canada (damn, that gives me a headache just thinking about the sort of legal silliness going on there!).
Anyway, the Cadillac-Gage vehicles and the GM Canada vehicles, though they may have similar designations, are not related. But, just because I'm in a bad mood, let me give you another reason to pop some Advil -- many of the turrets of the Cadillac-Gage LAVs and the GM Canada LAVs are quite easy to interchange!
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Headquarters 05-06-2008, 03:31 PM kill that player off..have him run over by a LAV-25 from the book.
hehe
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pmulcahy 05-06-2008, 06:29 PM kill that player off..have him run over by a LAV-25 from the book.
hehe
As should happen to all rules lawyers -- hoist them on their own petard! Do it Tigger! Do it! Do it! :firedevil
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General Pain 05-07-2008, 01:22 AM Are these two vehicles essentially the same? One of my players has become obsessed with getting a Stryker, after reading Colby Buzzel's 'My War' (an excellent read BTW). I've tried explaining that the Stryker doesn't exist in the T2K world, but he won't take no for an answer. To keep him happy I was thinking of giving the group a LAV-300 to make the journey from Virginia to New York where they will be doing Armies Of The Night.
In essence I thought that the LAV-300 was essentially an early version of the Stryker - is this true?
U could offcourse give him one in boxes (unasembled)....then he just need a mechanic,fuel ammo etc....getting those items could prove to be a nice side-adventure
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General Pain 05-07-2008, 01:24 AM As should happen to all rules lawyers -- hoist them on their own petard! Do it Tigger! Do it! Do it! :firedevil
Damn those rulius-magistarius types he he
on the other hand u could allways hand out a stryker to the enemy.
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pmulcahy 05-07-2008, 05:59 AM U could offcourse give him one in boxes (unasembled)....then he just need a mechanic,fuel ammo etc....getting those items could prove to be a nice side-adventure
Give him the boxes, and then have them fall on him, squashing him! :firedevil
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TiggerCCW UK 05-07-2008, 02:01 PM Thanks for the info folks. Paul, General Pain, you're both in maleovalent form today :firedevil I thought I was grumpy because I had to spend the day on a pointless training course and then work tonight, but you guys have me beat :biggrin:
I'll probably let them have a LAV 300 just to keep him quiet. Its only while they're heading to New York anyway, then they'll have to leave it behind.
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