Odd Military Facts....

[dragoon500ly]

Sarah Barnet Belcher, of Taunton, Massachusetts, USA is rather notable because no less than three famous personages of World War Two were her descendents.

As a result of their common ancestry through this woman, General Douglas MacArthur was an eighth cousin of Prime Minister Winston S. Churchill, and a sixth cousin of President Franklin D. Roosevelt....

And a tip o'the hat to "Dirty Little Secrets of World War Two"!

[WallShadow]

yeah, sure, but where does she fall on the "degrees of Kevin Bacon" scale?:p

[HorseSoldier]

Sarah Barnet Belcher, of Taunton, Massachusetts, USA is rather notable because no less than three famous personages of World War Two were her descendents.

Making her the most famous resident of a New England town named after weird kangaroo/dall sheep hybrids from the planet Hof? :)

[Canadian Army]

The UK Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm used the Fairey Swordfish, a biplane design commissioned in 1936. It would have been helpless against enemy fighters (like most of the war's torpedo bombers), but it had an advantage against enemy AA: WWII rangefinders couldn't predict the flight path of anything that slow. Thus, attacks by Swordfish sank much of the Italian Navy in its home port of Taranto, and crippled the Bismark in its breakout attempt in the North Sea, both times with negligible British losses.

Nazi Germany assumed, at the beginning of the war, that horse cavalry were obsolete, but by 1942, they'd changed their minds. Infantry were too slow to catch Cossacks and mounted partisans, and tanks couldn't enter rocky ground and forests (which cavalry certainly could); the result was about ten divisions of German cavalry.

During the early stages of World War II, the Norwegians sank the heavy cruiser Blücher with weaponry which they'd bought decades before, and which was obsolete even then. The Norwegian commander wasn't sure that his fifty-year-old torpedoes would even work. They did.

Some Taliban snipers in Afghanistan use British Lee-Enfield rifles (or locally manufactured copies), which were designed in the 1880s and used in both World Wars. (A basically similar weapon chambered for NATO-standard battle rifle ammunition was in use by the British Army in the same role until relatively recently.) Their Iraqi counterparts prefer its Nazi rival, the Mauser Kar.98k (designed in 1935, as a cut-down version of the Mauser Karabiner model 1898).

In the Falklands War, the British took a WWII field kitchen truck from the Imperial War Museum and sent it along with the Task Force sent to fight off the Argentines, since there was no modern equivalent that could prepare hot meals in the field. This relic field kitchen even managed to land on East Falkland — which Argentina had already evacuated — before the Parachute Regiment, who had been tasked with retaking it.

Before they had their own defense industry (i.e., the Yom Kippur War and all previous conflicts), the Israelis relied on upgraded, surplus tanks. In the Yom Kippur War, they defeated state-of-the-art T-55s with heavily upgraded Shermans — proving that in the right hands and with the right modifications, even a thirty-year-old design that was never any good in the first place can defeat state-of-the-art technology.

During the Cold War, a squad of of SAS commandos were tasked with defending an Omani fort when they were suddenly attacked by hundreds of Communist guerrillas. In desperation, a couple of the SAS soldiers rushed over to a nearby shed that housed an antique WWII era anti-tank gun. They managed to get it working and it proved to be the deciding factor in the fight, buying them enough time for reinforcements to arrive.

During the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the mujahidin found that Stingers were not very useful (despite a few early successes), and preferred to fight Hinds with WWII AA guns.

The standard weapon issued to the Canadian Rangers (the militia force based in the Arctic) is the Mk 4 Lee-Enfield, first produced in 1939 and out of service with the regular Canadian military since the 1950s. The rifles are being replaced beginning in 2015...with another bolt-action rifle. The only reason the Mk4 is being replaced at all is that spare parts are running out.

The Soviet Union kept using vacuum tubes in its bombers long after the development of transistors, since vacuum tubes are resistant to EMPs and many kinds of electronic counter-measures (ECM).

During the initial stages of the Israeli War of Independance in '48, the Israeli supply situation was so bad that they even used Napoleonic-era, muzzle-loading cannons.

Blackburn Buccaneer a.k.a The Banana Jet. It was designed in 1954, and outlasted its all intended successors in both FAA and RAF use. It was finally withdrawn in 1994, because the airframes were too stressed to keep flying safely.

In the Korean War, North Korea used sea mines dating back to the Russo-Japanese War. (In fact, they're still using them.)

Most of the North Korean military carries equipment dating back to the 1970s or earlier. The forces deployed to defend the capital have more recent gear, but that's about it. Reportedly, some of their reservists don't even have firearms, and carry bladed weapons.

In 1807 the Ottomans loaded some giant cannons that had been collecting dust since the fall of Constantinople almost four centuries earlier and used them to repel a British attack on the Dardanelles. It worked.

The four Iowa-class battleships have been mothballed, and recommissioned, twice. And Congress wouldn't let the navy get rid of them completely, until the early years of the 21st century. All four are now gone, but are now literal museum pieces, as they have been made into floating museums (the Iowa in Los Angeles, the New Jersey in Camden, New Jersey, the Missouri in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, and the Wisconsin in Norfolk, Virginia). After the release of Battleship, Slate ran an article positing whether or not it would be possible to return the Iowa-class battleships to active duty now that they're museum ships. It would actually be very easy, assuming that enough crew, fuel, and ammunition for its main guns are on hand for that.

The Korean People's Air Force has a small number of relatively modern fighter jets, including the MiG-29. They also operate many older airplanes. Including around thirty MiG-15s, as in the fighter jet they flew in the Korean War, although their remaining MiG-15s are all trainers.

The Antonov An-2 Colt transport, the smaller Russian cousin to the equally universal DC-3; is hard to pick up on radar, is so slow that modern fighters have trouble engaging it with guns, and it can take off and land from improvised air strips, making it an ideal commando or officer transport. For the same reasons, around ten are also used by the South Korean Air Force. Outside of the two Koreas, even smaller European countries like Estonia, Moldova and Macedonia also operate the An-2 as a paratrooper plane. And while fighting the Serbs in the early 1990s, Croatians even used them as improvised bombers to take out Serbian armoured vehicles and fortifications. While one or two were shot down, the plan worked.

Suggested but averted by Benjamin Franklin during the American Revolution. The Battle of Bunker Hill ended with them being driven off when they ran out of ammunition. Franklin suggested that if they had used bows and arrows, they could have held out longer and fired off volleys more rapidly. It may be possible that this referred more to the fact that at the start of the Revolution, the colonists were desperately short of gunpowder. At one point, there were literally only a few dozen barrels left for the entire army, which would have been just enough for one pitched battle without artillery. The situation did improve later on, when France became heavily involved in the war and started sending over regular supplies of the stuff.

English officers had been proposing this on and off throughout the 18th century. Trained longbowmen couldn't be beaten for sheer volume of fire until the introduction of breach-loading mechanisms and metallic cartridges; the catch is the "trained" part.

The first operational SR-71 was retired to the National Museum of the United States Air Force in the 70's, only to be put back into service for 20 years and permanently retired in 1990. But perhaps the retirement was premature, since the plane broke an air speed record on the way to the museum.

When British firefighters went on strike in 2002, the Army was called upon to provide cover. They made extensive used of "Green Goddess" fire engines, built in the 50s and mothballed in the late 60s. The law has now been changed so in a future strike, the Army would have access to the fire brigade's equipment, and the Green Goddesses have been sold to developing countries.

The Italian Air Force used the F-104 until 2004 in spite not only of the extreme age of the design (the airplane was first flown in 1954, with the Italian F-104S version being manufactured between 1964 and 1979) but of its tendency to crash. It helped it was actually faster than the more modern F-16 that had been considered to replace it in the 1980s...

During Homeland War, some Croatian units used M4 Sherman tanks and US WWII M36 Jackson tank destroyers. They proved effective in infantry support.

Some navies keep old 7.62mm chambered rifles on board in addition to standard 5.56mm for resupply at sea evolutions. The reason? The 5.56mm blank cartridges are unable to propel the line far enough to reach the other ship.

The Finnish Army Field Kitchen, m/29 Soppatykki (Soup Cannon). Originally designed in 1929 for horse-drawn troops and be used with firewood, it is still in production, adapted to be towed by lorries and smaller motor vehicles. The redesign, m/85, is merely an incorporation and documentation of all changes and improvements on the original. Several of the WWII veteran field kitchens are still in use.

[HorseSoldier]

Suggested but averted by Benjamin Franklin during the American Revolution. The Battle of Bunker Hill ended with them being driven off when they ran out of ammunition. Franklin suggested that if they had used bows and arrows, they could have held out longer and fired off volleys more rapidly. It may be possible that this referred more to the fact that at the start of the Revolution, the colonists were desperately short of gunpowder. At one point, there were literally only a few dozen barrels left for the entire army, which would have been just enough for one pitched battle without artillery. The situation did improve later on, when France became heavily involved in the war and started sending over regular supplies of the stuff.

English officers had been proposing this on and off throughout the 18th century. Trained longbowmen couldn't be beaten for sheer volume of fire until the introduction of breach-loading mechanisms and metallic cartridges; the catch is the "trained" part.

I'd put the tipping point at the widespread switch to rifled muskets in the 19th century, but otherwise agree with that assessment -- weapons like the long bow or traditional Japanese bows outperform gunpowder weapons in a lot of ways for a couple centuries after matchlocks and then flintlocks become common place on the battlefield. The two edges firearms have is the noted comparative ease of getting good with them and that I believe there's something that inherently appeals to human being's inner monkey about being able to unleash thunder and lightning on our enemies.

[Legbreaker]

The standard weapon issued to the Canadian Rangers (the militia force based in the Arctic) is the Mk 4 Lee-Enfield, first produced in 1939 and out of service with the regular Canadian military since the 1950s. The rifles are being replaced beginning in 2015...with another bolt-action rifle. The only reason the Mk4 is being replaced at all is that spare parts are running out.
I've got two of the Mk3's here, re-barrelled and optimised for long distance shooting. Now if only I could find the time to get to the range, or a clock tower, whatever.... ;)
...I believe there's something that inherently appeals to human being's inner monkey about being able to unleash thunder and lightning on our enemies.

mmmm, big bang good! :D

[weswood]

human being's inner monkey about being able to unleash thunder and lightning on our enemies.

That goes back to flinging poo at enemies.

[Targan]

Some Taliban snipers in Afghanistan use British Lee-Enfield rifles (or locally manufactured copies), which were designed in the 1880s and used in both World Wars. (A basically similar weapon chambered for NATO-standard battle rifle ammunition was in use by the British Army in the same role until relatively recently.)In the Australian Army too (until the 1980s IIRC).

During the Cold War, a squad of of SAS commandos were tasked with defending an Omani fort when they were suddenly attacked by hundreds of Communist guerrillas. In desperation, a couple of the SAS soldiers rushed over to a nearby shed that housed an antique WWII era anti-tank gun. They managed to get it working and it proved to be the deciding factor in the fight, buying them enough time for reinforcements to arrive.I believe this Badass of the Week article tells the story of the battle to which you refer: http://www.badassoftheweek.com/takavesi.html

[dragoon500ly]

The West Point class of 1915 is nicknamed "The Class That Stars Fell On". Of the 164 members of this class, 61 attained the rank of general:

Two reached the Rank of General of the Army (5 stars): Eisenhower and Bradley

Two reached General (4 stars); 7 reached Lieuteant General (3 stars); 50 reached Major General/Brigader General.

The first one to reach general rank was Brigadier General Luis Raul Esteves of the Puerto Rican National Guard (1939)

[dragoon500ly]

With an active service life of some two hundreds day durning 1941, the HMS Prince of Wales, The UK's newest battleship, commissioned on March 31, 1941, took part in the pursuit of the German battleship Bismarck in May, carried Winston Churchill to the Atlantic Conference in August and was sunk in action by teh Japanese off Malaya on December 10.


source is "Dirty Little Secrets of World War Two"

[dragoon500ly]

The 3rd Infantry Division went ashore in North Africa in November 1942. Over the course of the next thirty months, it fought in Tunisia, Sicily, central Italy, Anzio, souther France, Alsace and Germany. This made the 3rd ID one of the five hardest hit divisions (3rd, 4th, 9th, 36th and 45th) of the war, which collectively ran through an average of 176% of their personnel during their time in the ETO. As a result, by the end of January, 1945, one company in the division had just 2 men left of the 235 whi had come ashore at Casablanca. One of them was the supply sergeant, the other was a young Texan named Audie Murphy who collected twenty-four decorations, including the Medal of Honor (and the most decorated soldier of WWII) as well as rising from the rank of Private to First Lieutenant.


source is "Dirty Little Secrets of World War Two"

[dragoon500ly]

The most expensive military decoration in history is the Soviet Order of Victory, which consists of a platinum star two inches across, enameled in blue and red and studded with 135 diamonds.

source is "Dirty Little Secrets of World War Two"

[Matt Wiser]

If it's military trivia you want, go on here:

http://www.strategypage.com/cic

They've got lots of little tidbits, like in #392, where WW II commanders and their "gals"....Marshal Zhukov, for one, had an affair with a female medical officer (who was his personal physican), as did Marshal Rokossovsky (who got his mistress pregnant, but did see to it that the female officer and the child were taken care of after the war), and Admiral Yamamoto's affair with Chiyoko Kawaii, his mistress from the early '30s (he wrote her daily as opposed to his wife, whom he wrote only weekly). And Omar Bradley would sometimes go off for a weekend with one or two WACs.... Then there's General (later Marshal) Pierre Koenig of France, who had a lengthy affair with Susan Travers, a British nurse who also served as his driver-and was enrolled as a warrant officer in the Foreign Legion and decorated with the Medaille Militaire, Legion D' Honneur, and Crox de Guerre, for service in Syria, North Africa, France and Indochina, often under fire.

Another tidbit: one was more likely to become a casualty in the Imperial Japanese Merchant Marine than in either the Imperial Army or the Imperial Navy.

The Germans sent an official protest to the U.S. Army in WW I, complaining about the Americans' use of Winchester 1897 shotguns for trench-clearing.

A German officer with dual British/German citizenship was awarded the "von" for his actions in suppressing the Maji-Maji revolt in German East Africa. He was killed in action at the Battle of Tanga in 1914, fighting against the British and Indian forces which landed there. His name: Tom von Prince.

Also from the East African Campaign: A British patrol and a German patrol are exchanging fire. An angry Rhino charges the British and sends them fleeing, then with total impartiality, charges the Germans and puts them to flight. The still enraged beast then turns and charges some Masai tribesmen who had been merely watching the action, killing one.

A platoon of Canadians during the defense of Hong Kong in 1941 was initially barred from taking up defensive positions at Stanley Barracks, due to the fact that their assigned position was the Officer's Mess.

In WW II: the U.S. Navy allowed ship's mascots to be awarded the rank of Petty Officer 3rd Class, and several at the end of the war had advanced to CPO grade.

When the German raider Pinguin captured a British passenger-cargo ship west of Australia in December, 1940, among the passengers were seven women. The raider captain, not expecting such passengers, had one of his officers go back aboard the ship before it was sunk to get the ladies some clothes. That officer's qualification for the job? Prewar, he'd been a traveling salesman specializing in ladies' underwear.

The mascot of the 4th Marine Regiment, a bulldog adopted in Shanghai, was the only four-legged POW recognized by the U.S. military in WW II. Soochow was the dog, and he was inducted into the USMC as a Private in 1938. He was a Corporal on Corregidor in 1941-42, and went into captivity when the island was surrendered. Several Marines took care of the dog, even giving the dog their own rations-and keeping other hungry POWs away from the dog. He was liberated in 1945 from Bilbid Prison in Manila, and became the mascot for the USMC Recruit Depot in San Diego. When he died in 1947, he was a Sergeant, and was buried with full military honors.

A number of dog handlers in Vietnam, whose dogs were killed in action, insisted on their dogs being given military honors when the dogs were buried-usually at remote firebases or SF camps. (In Iraq, the same thing happened on several occasions, and thus the only Americans buried in Iraq were those working dogs who were killed in the line of duty)

[Snake Eyes]

Any mention in any of those weird fact sites about an Allied destroyer or submarine being sunk by a shore-based German tank off the Atlantic coast of France during WWII? We covered that incident in a high school history class but I'll be dammed if I can find a source for it.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Any mention in any of those weird fact sites about an Allied destroyer or submarine being sunk by a shore-based German tank off the Atlantic coast of France during WWII? We covered that incident in a high school history class but I'll be dammed if I can find a source for it.

Couldn't find that specific incident but I did find some others in a similar vein at ww2aircraft.net
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/ww2-general/tank-sinking-ship-frigate-2415.html
Of particular interest in that thread is the British submarine HMS Safari that attacked a German transport ship unloading supplies on the coast of Africa. Allegedly one torpedo was fired and missed the supply ship but travelled up the beach and hit a German tank. While I can find details of the German supply vessels attacked, I can't find any references to the tank story except for the wikipedia entry and a Russian website that appears to have copied the wiki entry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Safari_(P211)
http://www.royalnavy-nf.org/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=1894&sid=3cbf81901e6df54488a716950119c4e1&view=print

However, there is a 1999 book about HMS Safari called "Crash Dive" that "may" shed some more light on the alleged incident.
http://uboat.net/books/item/2003

[StainlessSteelCynic]

During my search for my post above I came across another piece of information that I think definitely fits into the "odd" part of our military facts.

The USS Density (AM-218) served the USN in the Pacific theatre as an ocean-going minesweeper. She was placed in the reserve fleet in Galveston, Texas in January 1946 and was decommissioned there in March 1947.
Like so many other WW2 ships, being released from naval service didn't end her career.

She was sold to Greek interests as a cargo ship in 1955 and renamed the MV Manoula. In 1964 she was impounded in Miami, Florida for non-payment of harbour fees but later that same year she was bought by other interests and renamed MV Galaxy.
In November 1964 she arrived in British waters were she began broadcasting as Radio London - one of the pirate radio stations operated outside territorial waters to, so it's claimed, circumvent the record companies' control of popular music broadcasting in the United Kingdom and the BBC's radio broadcasting monopoly.

When the pirate radio stations were closed down by the British government in 1967, MV Galaxy sailed for Germany. She tied up in Hamburg harbour in anticipation of another stint as an offshore radio station.
The deal fell through and MV Galaxy was transferred to Kiel harbour and sunk as an artificial reef in 1979. Concerns about pollution saw her raised from the harbour floor for breaking up/disposal in 1980.

So MV Galaxy, the former MV Manoula, former USS Density, a combat-tried ocean-going minesweeper built for the USN during WW2 (with several successful engagements against the Japanese), ended her days tied up to the Kilian bunker, a former Kriegsmarine U-boat base.

Some history here
http://www.offshoreradio.co.uk/odds21.htm Pirate Radio hall of fame page
http://uboat.net/gallery/Kilian-1/ Images of the kilian bunker in Kiel
http://www.uboat.net/flotillas/bases/kiel_bunkers.htm The U-boat bases in Kiel (with a brief section about U-170 providing electricity for the bombed Howaldtswerke yard - interesting in light of The Last Sub modules)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Density_(AM-218) Wiki history of USS Density
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonderful_Radio_London Wiki history of Radio London

[avantman42]

In the Falklands War, the British took a WWII field kitchen truck from the Imperial War Museum and sent it along with the Task Force sent to fight off the Argentines, since there was no modern equivalent that could prepare hot meals in the field. This relic field kitchen even managed to land on East Falkland — which Argentina had already evacuated — before the Parachute Regiment, who had been tasked with retaking it.

What's the source for that? I have no idea whether or not a WWII field kitchen was taken to the Falklands, but the Argentines certainly didn't evacuate East Falkland - that's where almost all of the land fighting took place.

[dragoon500ly]

During the Sicily landings, German panzers were subjected to a ten minute "shoot" by the light cruiser Savannah.

[dragoon500ly]

During the Tunisia landings, US infantry were supported by USN dive bombers, who were dropping depth charges on French tanks.

[dragoon500ly]

One of the Dirty little secrets of the Vietnam War was that the Viet Minh had, serving in its ranks, former Imperial Japanese troops and even Nazi German personnel.

Between 1,500 and 4,000 Japanese troops, including members of the Kempetai, served as technicians and trainers and served as the core of the first Viet Minh artillery units. some 100 or so Nazi officials and soldiers of the Auslander organization also fought with the Viet Minh.

And in the 1950s, the former Nazi commando otto Skorzeny served as a technical advisor to the South Vietnamese Army.

"Dirty Little Secrets of the Vietnam War"

[dragoon500ly]

Field Expedients

During the Vietnam War, soldiers serving in the central highlands found the weather pretty chilly (40-50 degrees Farenheit). Troops sometimes found themselves in the field or remote outpsots without their normal sleeping gear. The more hardened types would improvise a sleeping bag out of the "Pouch, Human Remains", better known as a body bag. Those who used the body bag reported to it was reasonably cozy.

"Dirty Little Secrets of the Vietnam War"

[dragoon500ly]

If you really want to tick off a squid....just remind them that they lost an aircraft carrier during the Vietnam War.

The USS Card was an old escort carrier that was used to haul helicopters and light aircraft to Vietnam. She was sunk in the Saigon River by a VC underwater demolition team. The navy refused to admit that the ship was actually sunk, declaring that it was merely damaged, and spending a considerable amount of money and tens of thousands of man-hours to refloat and "repair" her.

[headquarters]

About the sinking of the Blücher - the main guns of the fort that were used were 280mm German built guns from around the turn of the century / around 1900. The torpedos were of Austrian -Hungarian type and fired from a battery from 1901. Also a lot of AA guns and other shoredefense artillery were used although these caused damage the " 3 major damage results " came from the old guns and the torpedos. Reportedly a forums members grandad had some information about the event:
The reservists manning the shore batteries were teachers, carpenters, farmers ages 20 - 40 and raw recruits of 18-19 years, they were shocked by the ferocious action, and their positions were unsustainable due to enemy fire and the encircling German infantry. In front of their positions was the pride of the Nortseeflotte burning and thousands of German sailors and troops were alterantely burning, bleeding or sinking to their deaths. ( ranges were relatively short - a few hundred meters to a couple of clicks). Overhead were the Luftwaffe and news of German landings everywhere came through the radio. In short it was time to hightail it. In Norway in 1940 this meant using public transport. They hopped on the local train to Oslo, and as they arrived at the station they were promptly rounded up by a company strength Wehrmacht welcoming party who had gotten there before them. Fearing the reprecussions of the Germans the men shakingly gave their names and ranks. They were asked at gunpoint if they had taken part in the action zat had sunk ze BlÜcher..JA? We knof zat you did ja! Fearing the worst many still admitted that they had taken part. The Germans - in a typical methodical and übercorrect manner took their names and interred them in a school gynasium. Shortly after they were made to sign a statement on their honour that they would never take up arms against the Reich again and let loose. In short they were let go with a stern warning to "never do that again"!



During the early stages of World War II, the Norwegians sank the heavy cruiser Blücher with weaponry which they'd bought decades before, and which was obsolete even then. The Norwegian commander wasn't sure that his fifty-year-old torpedoes would even work. They did.


During Homeland War, some Croatian units used M4 Sherman tanks and US WWII M36 Jackson tank destroyers. They proved effective in infantry support.


I inspected a few weapon caches and ammo dumps in Bosnia. Many had green spam cans of US marked ammo of various calibers. At one facility we found US made mountain howitzers from WWII. Allied gear from the war was prolific. ( We even found Italian WWII machineguns - poor sods having to use those).

[HorseSoldier]

During the Vietnam War, soldiers serving in the central highlands found the weather pretty chilly (40-50 degrees Farenheit). Troops sometimes found themselves in the field or remote outpsots without their normal sleeping gear. The more hardened types would improvise a sleeping bag out of the "Pouch, Human Remains", better known as a body bag. Those who used the body bag reported to it was reasonably cozy.

There was some drama and minor scandal about guys doing the same thing in the lead up to the ground war in '91, after some news stories about it made it into print.

[weswood]

And in the 1950s, the former Nazi commando otto Skorzeny served as a technical advisor to the South Vietnamese Army.

"Dirty Little Secrets of the Vietnam War"

That Skorzeny sure got around. I first heard about him in a Harry Turtledove fiction and thought he was a made up character. Then I saw his name in another book by another author and did some research on him. Amazing man.

[Targan]

That Skorzeny sure got around. I first heard about him in a Harry Turtledove fiction and thought he was a made up character. Then I saw his name in another book by another author and did some research on him. Amazing man.

I've read the same Harry Turtledove novels. Until I read Dragoon's post I didn't realise that Skorzeny was a real person. Time for some Google-Fu.

[dragoon500ly]

Only once in nearly a century has bean soup not appeared on the menu of the Senate dining room in Washington DC. On Setember 14, 1943, as a result of wartime shortages, the supply of white Michigan beans ran out.

The ensuing senatorial uproar was sufficient to insure that there were beans enough the next day and on every subsequent day thereafter.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

And now you know the source of all the hot air on the Hill!!!! :p

[dragoon500ly]

In World War II, US soldiers were the highest paid with enlisted personnel earning (in 1994 dollars) an average of 750.00 a month and offers earning 2,200.00 a month. Soldiers in other armies received token amounts, or, at most, 2-300 dollars a month. US soldiers were qucik to note that not only were they better paid, but the also received "trade goods" as part of their normal rations. Cigarettes and candy were particularly valuable.

This in turn led the British soldiers to refer to the GIs as "oversexed, overpaid and over here!' This led the GIs to crack back that the Tommies were "undersexed, underpaid and under Eisenhower!"

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

By mid-1843, 35% of the soldats in the German Army had been wounded at least once, 11% at least twice, 6% three times, 2% percent four times and 2% more than four times. During the war, the average officer slot had to be refilled 9.2 times.


Sourse is "Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

Venereal disease has long been recoginzed as a major cause of non-battle military noneffectiveness.

During World War One, the VD rate for the US Army was 87 cases per 1,000 men per year (far higher than the French Army rate).

During World War Two, the VD rate decreased to 49 cases per 1,000 men per year.

During the Korean War, the VD rate increased to 146 cases per 1,000 men per year.

During the Vietnam War, the VD rate increased to 325 cases per 1,000 men per year.

Hmmmmmm

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

In World War Two, aces (those who shot down more than five enemy aircraft in air-to-air kills) tended to have blue or light colored eyes (over two thirds), were shorter than average and had more daughters than sons. This may mean something, but as of 1994, no one has figured out what.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[weswood]

In World War Two, aces (those who shot down more than five enemy aircraft in air-to-air kills) tended to have blue or light colored eyes (over two thirds), were shorter than average and had more daughters than sons. This may mean something, but as of 1994, no one has figured out what.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

Wow, I could have been an ace. Except I was born too late. And I'm nearsighted. And I've never driven anything I haven't had to get out and push at one time or another. But I got the short, blue eyes & daughter working for me.

[Graebarde]

Only once in nearly a century has bean soup not appeared on the menu of the Senate dining room in Washington DC. On Setember 14, 1943, as a result of wartime shortages, the supply of white Michigan beans ran out.

The ensuing senatorial uproar was sufficient to insure that there were beans enough the next day and on every subsequent day thereafter.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

And now you know the source of all the hot air on the Hill!!!! :p

Explains the stinking hot air that rises from DC.

[Graebarde]

Field Expedients

During the Vietnam War, soldiers serving in the central highlands found the weather pretty chilly (40-50 degrees Farenheit). Troops sometimes found themselves in the field or remote outpsots without their normal sleeping gear. The more hardened types would improvise a sleeping bag out of the "Pouch, Human Remains", better known as a body bag. Those who used the body bag reported to it was reasonably cozy.

"Dirty Little Secrets of the Vietnam War"

Just don't get zipped up in one by a buddy. Recall the scene from Boys in Company C when they first arrived in Nam.

[dragoon500ly]

During the Vietnam War, the USN reactivated the battleship New Jersey and sent her to the "gun line" off South Vietnam. During her 120 days on the line, she fired 14,891 rounds of 5-inch and 5,688 rounds of 16-inch; During her entire previous career she had previously fired a total of 7,442 16-inch.

[rcaf_777]

Intresting War Fact with a Twlight thread

USS Agent was laid down on 8 April 1942 by the Tampa Shipbuilding Co., Tampa, Florida; launched on 1 November 1942; and completed 10 July 1943. She was transferred to the Soviet Navy that same day as T-112 She had originally been built as USS Agent (AM-139), an Admirable-class minesweeper, for the United States Navy during World War II, but never saw active service in the U.S. Navy. Upon completion she was transferred to the Soviet Union under Lend-Lease as T-112 and never returned to the United States. Because of the Cold War, the U.S. Navy was unaware of the ship's status and the vessel remained on the American Naval Vessel Register until she was struck on 1 January 1983. In Soviet service, the ship was renamed TB-21 on 15 October 1955; VTR-2Y on 8 March 1956; and UTS-288 on 20 April 1972. The ship was abandoned on 31 January 1991. Recovered and returned to the US sometime between 1991 and 2000, she is currently anchored with Suisun Bay Reserve Fleet, Suisun Bay California. She still sports her Soviet Colours’

Source:

http://navy.memorieshop.com/BayArea/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_minesweeper_T-112

[rcaf_777]

What's the source for that? I have no idea whether or not a WWII field kitchen was taken to the Falklands, but the Argentines certainly didn't evacuate East Falkland - that's where almost all of the land fighting took place.

Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/funfilledgeorgie/8054258957/
or http://www.freewebs.com/29thfieldkitchen/armycookers.htm

[The Rifleman]

Venereal disease has long been recoginzed as a major cause of non-battle military noneffectiveness.

During World War One, the VD rate for the US Army was 87 cases per 1,000 men per year (far higher than the French Army rate).

During World War Two, the VD rate decreased to 49 cases per 1,000 men per year.

During the Korean War, the VD rate increased to 146 cases per 1,000 men per year.

During the Vietnam War, the VD rate increased to 325 cases per 1,000 men per year.

Hmmmmmm

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

During the war on terror, we didn't have that. The army ran every single woman through every STD test they could think of before deploying them. Its like they're running a brothel.

[WallShadow]

According to a summation of articles and equipment provided by the US to her allies via Lend-Lease, of all the items, of all the countries supplied, only one, single one of these was shipped to one, single nation.
The Nation? The Soviet Union.
The article? One (1) unit, each: athletic supporter.

Which leads one to believe that Hitler may have had only one, but Uncle Joe had two and they were iron!:D

[dragoon500ly]

One of the most expensive battles of rthe Allies cost them 5,000 tanks, 7,000 aircraft and over 200,000 tons of smilitary supplies. These were all lost in the holds of ships trying to reach the Soviet port of Murmansk in the far north of Russia. The 58 ships lost in the Arctic Convoys represent 7.2% of the ships sent to the USSR. This number is very grim, as overall merchant ship losses in the Atlantic Convoy was only 0.7%.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

You hear in a lot of histories of the effect of Stalin's pre-war purges of the Soviet military, so just how bad were the purges.

Stalin purged some 67% of the generals in the Red Army: 3 of the 5 marshals, all 11 vice commissars of war; 75 of the 80 members of the Supreme War Council, 13 of the 15 army commanders, 51 of the 85 corps commanders and 110 of the 195 division and brigade commanders. The result of this was the dismal performance of the Red Army in the opening months of World War Two. Fortunately for Russia, Stalin did not actually kill all of the purged officers, but many had ben sent to the gulags in Siberia. As a result, after the debacle of the summer of 1941, many of the survivors were relased from the gulags and back to their former commands.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

In the 1930-40s, Iceland was a dependency of Denmark, its position protected it from Nazi occupation when the Germans seized Denmark in 1940. The Icelanders invited the British and latter the Americans to help them defend themselves. Finally, in 1944, the Icelanders decided to declare their independece from Denmark. In Copenhage, King Christian X, then under house arrest for his support of resistance to the Nazi occupiers, sent a telegram of congratulations to his rebellious Iclandic subjects.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[dragoon500ly]

The US Strategic Bombing Survey yeilds some really odd bites of data....

It is estimated that during World War Two, the average Berlin apartment yielded 12.7 cubic meters of rubble after being bombed.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

LONG LIVE THE BEAN COUNTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

[dragoon500ly]

There is a story that goes about the first female reporter to be attached to the US Army during WWII....

Ruth Baldwin Gowen (Associated Press), arrived in North Africa in 1943. She faced a considerable amount of oppositions to her presence, with her male counterparts holding that women could not make good war correspondents, this was soon laid to rest.

Shortly after Ms. Gowen arrived, she chanced to run into none other than George S. Patton, the ultimate no-nonsense soldier. After being introduced, Patton gave her the once over. Then he asked,

"What is the first law of war?"

Ms. Gowen quickly replied,

"You kill him before he kills you!"

"She stays," said a similing Patton, much to the disappointment of those who were waiting for him to send her packing with an earful of his famous profanity.


"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

[rcaf_777]

Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/funfilledgeorgie/8054258957/
or http://www.freewebs.com/29thfieldkitchen/armycookers.htm



Among the reservists activated by the British Army for the Falklands War in 1982 was a WW II mobile field bakery unit nicknamed "Lizzie," called out of honorable retirement at the Museum of Army Transport for service with the troops.

Drity Little Secrets by James F. Dunnigan and Albert A. Nofi 1990 Quill publishing, an imprint of William Morrow & Co

[dragoon500ly]

During the Vietnam War, the Special Forces and CIA played a variety of "games" on the North Vietnamese...wish I had thought up this one!

The NVN was very effective in uncovering Allied agents, the dark side of this was that the NVN were suspicious of everyone. Soooo, captured North Vietnamese were recruited as apies, even when it was known that few would be very successful. These agents were put through a six-week course, that included a detailed briefing on the (nonextistent) network of agents that they would be joining. The most ambitious angle on this scam was to select some of the agents to parachute into NVN. The rookie agents would be given parachute training and would be taken to an airfield at night, where he would board a large aircraft. On board were the other members of his "team", which, for security reasons, he could not be intorduced to early. Also on board were numerous supply containers to be dropped as well.

Once in the air, the new agent was told that because he had done so well n the early training, he would be given the privilige of being the first man out of the door. When the new spy jumped, he would often make his way straight to the nearest NVN authorities to report his fellow agents who had jumped right behind him.

But no one had jumped after him. As soon as our "hero" had jumped, the other agents had opened some of the containers to reveal blocks of ice that had been attached to parachutes, these would then be thrown out into the night air. Hours later, the parachutes would be found, hung up in trees. Here was clear evidence that the Americans had dropped several agents into the NVN. The NVN would then call out the troops and spend several days searching the jungle for any trace of the spies.

But this wasn't the only part of this scam. The phoney agent would have a transmitter concealed in his gear and well overhead, would be an airplane, tracking the signal. When it was determined that the agent had remained in place for seventy-two hours, then a B-52 strike would be called in to blast the headquarters where the transponder was squawking.

"Dirty Little Secrets of the Vietnam War"

[Matt Wiser]

You hear in a lot of histories of the effect of Stalin's pre-war purges of the Soviet military, so just how bad were the purges.

Stalin purged some 67% of the generals in the Red Army: 3 of the 5 marshals, all 11 vice commissars of war; 75 of the 80 members of the Supreme War Council, 13 of the 15 army commanders, 51 of the 85 corps commanders and 110 of the 195 division and brigade commanders. The result of this was the dismal performance of the Red Army in the opening months of World War Two. Fortunately for Russia, Stalin did not actually kill all of the purged officers, but many had ben sent to the gulags in Siberia. As a result, after the debacle of the summer of 1941, many of the survivors were relased from the gulags and back to their former commands.

"Dirty Little Secrets of WWII"

And one famous officer was among them: Marshal K.K. Rokossovosky. Arrested in 1937, had his teeth knocked out-among other tortures-by Beria's thugs, condemmed to death, but released in 1940, promoted to Major-General and told "Take command of this mechanized corps, prisoner, and we'll see about your death sentence later." The suspended death sentence was not formally lifted until after Stalin's death in 1953.

[dragoon500ly]

The USS Kidd, DD-661 was a late model Fletcher-class destroyer commissioned on 23 April 1943. She is notable for several facts...

When she was launched, she was one of four Fletchers that were launched within 14 minutes...a still-standing record.

Her first damage was the result of a friendly fire incident on 12 Sept 1943, when she was hit by two 5-inch illuminating projectiles fired by the battleship USS North Carolina, there were no crew losses, although the captain's cabin was badly damaged.

On 11 April, 1945, she was struck by a kamizaze in her forward fireroom, killing 38 and wounding another 55.

Repaired and returned to service, the Kidd enjoyed a quiet post-war career...until 21 April, 1853, when she was rammed by the Swedish freighter Hainan, which left a V-shaped hole in the CPO's quarters, no one was killed or injured.

She was finally decommissioned into the Atlantic Reserve Fleet in 1964.

In 1982, the Kidd was transferred to the Louisiana Naval Memorial Commission and she was carefully restored to her 1945 configuration and is permanently moored in the city of Baton Rouge.

Since the Kidd is moored on the Mississippi River, she is subject to the extreme flood levels that Old Man River provides. During the summer months, she rests on a concrete cradle. Her port side is clamped to four steel collars that wrap around two 24-inch steel dolphins. THis allows the Kidd to rise and fall some 28 feet. This arrangement is unique and is featured in "Ripley's Believe It or Not."

As of 1994, the Kidd has earned the reputation of being the most authentically restored naval warship in the country.

"The Floating Drydock Warship Data, USS Kidd"

[dragoon500ly]

Of all of the United States' Strategic Bombers, only three have never dropped live ordnance on an enemy, they are the B-36, the B-47 and the B-58.

[dragoon500ly]

Perhaps the longest life of any tank has to be the US-built Mk VIII Heavy Tank which entered service in 1919 and served until 1932.

[Legbreaker]

Perhaps the longest life of any tank has to be the US-built Mk VIII Heavy Tank which entered service in 1919 and served until 1932.

Which says a lot for how tanks were perceived back in the early days. What's worse is what replaced it, or should I say, failed to replace it....

[Targan]

Of all of the United States' Strategic Bombers, only three have never dropped live ordnance on an enemy, they are the B-36, the B-47 and the B-58.

Is that last aircraft a typo? I'm guessing it should read B-52?

[mikeo80]

Is that last aircraft a typo? I'm guessing it should read B-52?

No, Targan, Dragoon is correct. He is referring to the B-58 Convair Hustler.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convair_B-58_Hustler

This was the first bomber that could fly at Mach 2. It was designed as a nuclear attack bomber. Once the U.S.S.R. proved it could shoot down high flying fast aircraft, the B-58 was obsolete.

My $0.02

Mike

[Targan]

Ah, I misread the initial post. I thought it said "dropped live ordnance" not "never dropped live ordnance". I love the way this forum encourages me to look things up on the net though. Until today I knew nothing about the B-58.

[Snake Eyes]

Is that last aircraft a typo? I'm guessing it should read B-52?


I think you missed the word "never." I did the same thing.

[Snake Eyes]

Once the U.S.S.R. proved it could shoot down high flying fast aircraft, the B-58 was obsolete.


Also why the XB-70 never took off. I thought that thing was awesome when I was a kid.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Also why the XB-70 never took off. I thought that thing was awesome when I was a kid.

Yes, but the XB-70 netted us the F15, the preeminent fighter aircraft in the world today. :)

[HorseSoldier]

Perhaps the longest life of any tank has to be the US-built Mk VIII Heavy Tank which entered service in 1919 and served until 1932.

That's only 13 years. In the US alone, both the M60 and M1 series have that beat by big margins. Ditto the Chieftain and Challengers in the UK, Leo I and Leo II in Germany, etc. Even if they isolate for specific marks of those designs, the M60A1 and M1A1 have it beat.

[Legbreaker]

On the other hand, technology was moving pretty damn fast back then. A tank from the 1980s still has a chance against tanks today, 25 years younger. The Mk VIII was toast if it faced virtually anything younger than it.

[dragoon500ly]

Which says a lot for how tanks were perceived back in the early days. What's worse is what replaced it, or should I say, failed to replace it....

All too true...the replacement for the MkVIII was the M-2 and M-2A1...just think M-3 Stuart with a raised idler wheel and a well sloped front deck. The M-2A1 actually saw combat, with the Marines on the 'canal.

The M-3 Lee/Grant, was an interm design until the engineers could figure out how to mount a 75mm cannon inside a cast turret. It actually saw more service with the British/Commonwealth (the Aussies used them right up into 1945), it also held the record for the highest elevation combat action when tankers of the 3rd Carabiniers captured the 9,000 foot summit of Kennedy Peak during the operations around Tiddim, Burma (that record was broke by the M-48 during the Indio-Pakistan War when combat reached 12,000 feet).

[dragoon500ly]

This was the first bomber that could fly at Mach 2. It was designed as a nuclear attack bomber. Once the U.S.S.R. proved it could shoot down high flying fast aircraft, the B-58 was obsolete.


I had an uncle who was a command pilot with the first B-58 squadron, he loved the fact that it could break Mach 2, but he always claimed that when you need to make a turn, at just about any speed, "You needed air space roughly the size of Texas!"

It was designed for the high-altitude, high-speed penetration mission, and as it was discovered how good the Soviet ADA netwrok was, SAC attempted to use it for low-level delivery, a job that its delta wings were never designed for, that's what led to their retirement.

[dragoon500ly]

That's only 13 years. In the US alone, both the M60 and M1 series have that beat by big margins. Ditto the Chieftain and Challengers in the UK, Leo I and Leo II in Germany, etc. Even if they isolate for specific marks of those designs, the M60A1 and M1A1 have it beat.

Actually, the M-48 series has the M-60 and M-1 beat...but you are correct, I should have said of all the World War One designs, the MkVIII had the longest life span. Of course, for WWI vetrans, the French FT-17 has them all beat.

[dragoon500ly]

On the other hand, technology was moving pretty damn fast back then. A tank from the 1980s still has a chance against tanks today, 25 years younger. The Mk VIII was toast if it faced virtually anything younger than it.

True, it is intresting to look over some of the might have beens, take for example, the M-1922 Medium Tank, this was an attempt at designing a more flexible suspension, the track was 2.5-inch steel cable that supported a variety of iron brackets...fitted to each bracket was the latest track shoe...each was carved from the finest oak!

Needless to say, track life was short and the M-1922 rests in the Ordnance Museum at Aberdeen Proving Grounds.

[Graebarde]

The USS Kidd, DD-661 was a late model Fletcher-class destroyer commissioned on 23 April 1943. She is notable for several facts...



Repaired and returned to service, the Kidd enjoyed a quiet post-war career...until 21 April, 1853, when she was rammed by the Swedish freighter Hainan, which left a V-shaped hole in the CPO's quarters, no one was killed or injured.

She was finally decommissioned into the Atlantic Reserve Fleet in 1964.

"The Floating Drydock Warship Data, USS Kidd"

Time warped I think. ;)

[dragoon500ly]

Time warped I think. ;)

Nah...Philadelphia Experiment II :D

[dragoon500ly]

The all time record for most enemy submarines sunk in the shortest period time belongs to...

The USS England (DE-635), which sank six Japanese submarines in twelve days in May-June 1944.

[Canadian Army]

The attack by Japan on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941 brought an immediate unity of purpose to the US. Citizens of all political persuasions and from all parts of the country pledged their support, volunteered their service, and offered to enlist in the military. One of the most interesting examples of this is found among the FDR Library’s Presidential papers. It is a petition; congaing 39 pages and 1,746 signatures, that FDR received signed by prisoners at Folsom State Penitentiary in California.

[dragoon500ly]

The B-36 Peacemaker was noted for several strange conversions during its lifespan. So heavy was the aircraft that Convair tested tracked landing gear in an effort to reduce its ground pressure, before switching to multi-wheel landing gear.

Project FICON was an attempt to design a parasite fighter that could be carried into enemy airspace and then used to protect its parent ship. The McDonnell XF-85 was the first attempt at this, quickly replaced by the Repiblic F-84E Thunderstreak. FICON only involved a single fighter.

Project Tom-Tom was the fitting of a wingtip hook-up that allowed the B-36 to carry two F-84Es, later replaced by two RF-84Fs. This never worked well in testing.

Perhaps the oddest B-36 conversion happend to TailNo 15712 which was converted into the platform for the first airborne nuclear reactor. This was the platform to test if the Air Force could make the conversion into nuclear-propelled aircraft This first airborne reactor never powered the aircraft, but was used to test radiation effects on the NB-36H itself. The crew was carried in the front of the aircraft, in a shielded compartment that featured leaded glass windows, 12-inches thick. Forty-seven flights were completed between 9/17/1955 to 03/28/1957.

Source "B-36 in Action"

[Legbreaker]

Hmm, a B-52 carrying a couple of armed drones.... Could work...
Oh wait, there's AA missiles now that do that job. :cool:

[raketenjagdpanzer]

I don't know about "odd" but I do know horrible...

Project Pluto was the first SLAM (Supersonic Land Attack Missile) worked on by the USAF. Two things made Project Pluto frightening. The first was how effective it would have been: the missile was designed to fly in excess of Mach-3, at very low altitude, using the then new TERCOM technology for low altitude high speed navigation. Even without a payload (I'll get to that in a minute) the missile would have killed anyone in a "target" area it chose to fly over: the weapon's mass and speed and altitude would've sent out a shockwave that would have simply crushed anyone not in an armored vehicle or bunker.

Of course, that's assuming the place flown over by the missile wasn't on it's target list. Pluto was planned as a robot bomber, a drone. It could be armed with up to 10 1MT hydrogen bombs. Part of Pluto's mission plan included post-strike strikes, weeks or months after the initial wars. Pluto was capable of staying in the air that long. How, you ask? Now we get to the really horrifying part.

Just in case the notion of a Terminator (or Berserker if you will) roaming around over an already blasted earth and continuing to pound the "enemy" with one megaton nuclear bombs isn't frightening enough, what enabled Pluto to keep on keepin' on like that was it's unique propulsion system. Pluto was a ram-air turbine jet that used air moving at hypersonic speeds over its nuclear fuel elements for propulsion. Once launched, the air intake and exhaust system were open ends of a nuclear reactor. The Pluto missile was programmed, once it's payload was deployed, to slow to the point that it's fuel would become liquid. It would literally spray molten liquid plutonium across hundreds of miles as it slowed and crashed.

What kept us from deploying the ultimate doomsday weapon was three things: one, ICBMs were making great strides, in spite of successful ground tests of the engine it was kind of impossible to flight test it and, in the event of a war, the missile would have to fly over US or allied territory to get into position to open up its box of nightmares: it'd have killed us as well as the Soviets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pluto

http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html

[dragoon500ly]

And don't forget the F-102 and F-106 interceptors...and their Falcon AAMs, armed with 0.25KT warheads.

And the early Nike Hercules SAMs that would carry nuclear warheads over US cities and then detonate...a defensive shield to stop them pesky bombers!

I don't know which would be worse, to be a Soviet bomber crewman...or a civilian on the ground when one of those would go off!

[raketenjagdpanzer]

The yield on the AIR-2 Genie missile was such that at the altitudes it would've been deployed the absolute worse thing that would've happened would have been EMP and a slight increase in background radiation as material from the blast was wind-scattered over many hundreds of miles.

But yeah, the Nike? Holy God. And if the bomber jammed or otherwise spoofed the missile and it just went wandering? Grr. Do half the fucking work of the manned attack that way.

[dragoon500ly]

I had forgot about the Genie...I heard in some lunch room talk, that the F-102s were supposed to salvo their missiles at the Russian bomber formations; I don't know how true that is, but 3-4 Genie/Falcon warheads going off?!?

And don't forget about the nuclear armed torpedoes, just the right weapon for that task group or hostile port.

Both sides had way too much time on their hands designing way too many "uses" for nuclear warheads!

[Legbreaker]

Nuclear torpedoes I can actually see being used in T2K. What better way for the Pact to even the odds a bit at sea?
Mind you, by the time nukes started to be used (July 97) the "last major fleet" had been destroyed... :/

[Medic]

The Finnish Army Field Kitchen, m/29 Soppatykki (Soup Cannon). Originally designed in 1929 for horse-drawn troops and be used with firewood, it is still in production, adapted to be towed by lorries and smaller motor vehicles. The redesign, m/85, is merely an incorporation and documentation of all changes and improvements on the original. Several of the WWII veteran field kitchens are still in use.

There is the newer Kenttäkeitin 2000 (Fieldcooker 2000) in existance with an oven you can actually bake pizza in, but it s more delicate and requires electricity while the older models are heated with wood.

Also, while serving as a conscript, my mess kit, as it turnes out, was originally stamped in 1944. Not to mention the pistol holster I received for the Honour Guard I was a art of in the summer - it had the Third Reich eagle on the back with manufacturer, which was a German company...

Edit: one more thing remembered. The recently retired Tarkkuuskivääri m/85 (Sniper Rifle model 85) was born, when the Finnish military desperately needed a new one to replace the venerable Mosin-Nagant based rifles. A number of rifles were considered, but the one that won was a rifle, built of a custom stock, bull barrel and... A Mosin-Nagant action, some of which were stamped around the beginning of the century. But having fired that particular model quite a number of times, I can attest to its capabilities.

[Canadian Army]

The Eggnog Riot was a riot that took place at the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York, on 24–25 December 1826. It was caused by the smuggling of whiskey, two days prior to the incident, to make eggnog for a Christmas Day party in the North Barracks of the Academy. The riot eventually involved more than one-third of the cadets by the time it ceased on Christmas morning. A subsequent investigation by Academy officials resulted in the implication of seventy cadets and the court-martialing of twenty of them and one enlisted soldier. Among the participants in the riot—though he was not court-martialed—was Jefferson Davis.