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Hybris
11-23-2012, 03:40 PM
http://www.myspace.com/video/chris-demarsh/first-strike-1979/61129508



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Strike_%281979_film%29

raketenjagdpanzer
11-23-2012, 03:47 PM
8 million casualties...military bases only. pffft right.

stg58fal
11-23-2012, 04:34 PM
Naval station San Diego + Coronado Island = no more San Diego
Camp Pendleton, Fallbrook Naval Weapons Station, Alameda, the former MCAS in the PRK......theres a significant portion of the 8 million.

Graebarde
11-23-2012, 08:46 PM
Depending on how many bases and what bases, 8 mill might be conservative.

Lewis-McChord = Tacoma
Alameda, Travis, and the San Francisco complex = San Francisco
Kelly-Lackland = San Antonio
Bliss = El Paso
Davis-Monthan = Tucson
Ft Carson = Colorado Springs
Norfolk
Charleston
Savannah
Pensacola
Tampa
Jacksonville
Columbus GA
Wichita KS


Chicago has a army HQ in this time period
Philadelphia has a navy yard at this time
Long Beach
Omaha
Minneapolis

and the list goes on

Depends too on the type of weapon burst and yield as well at time of day and weather conditions.

And does the number include only the immediate deaths or fallout deaths too from the unsheltered mass of the era?

Yeah 8 mill is doable.

kiltedguard
11-23-2012, 10:48 PM
Philadelphia is one of only 2 naval bases (on the east coast) with a dry dock large enough to house carriers. So, it's a primary target.

raketenjagdpanzer
11-23-2012, 11:30 PM
I just have no doubt the Soviets wouldn't hit both DC and NY - technically "military facilities" (the 69th street armory in Manhattan, the 1st TFW in DC as well as the Paxtuent River fighter testing center). Maybe they mean 8 million dead from the immediate detonations/blast, but in the coming weeks that's going to balloon up to 30-40 million dead.

Throw in the other hundred million or so they'd kill trying to take us (presidential surrender my ass) and you've got a much clearer picture of what the Sovs would do under those circumstances.

Graebarde
11-24-2012, 08:32 AM
Throw in the other hundred million or so they'd kill trying to take us (presidential surrender my ass) and you've got a much clearer picture of what the Sovs would do under those circumstances.

Humm.. well in '79 Carter was president, so I wouldn't throw out the surrender.

raketenjagdpanzer
11-24-2012, 09:17 AM
Humm.. well in '79 Carter was president, so I wouldn't throw out the surrender.

Oh I definitely think he'd have surrendered, I just don't think people wouldn't have fought. If that makes sense.

kiltedguard
11-24-2012, 04:53 PM
I just have no doubt the Soviets wouldn't hit both DC and NY - technically "military facilities" (the 69th street armory in Manhattan, the 1st TFW in DC as well as the Paxtuent River fighter testing center). Maybe they mean 8 million dead from the immediate detonations/blast, but in the coming weeks that's going to balloon up to 30-40 million dead.

Throw in the other hundred million or so they'd kill trying to take us (presidential surrender my ass) and you've got a much clearer picture of what the Sovs would do under those circumstances.

Well...just look all up and down the I 95 corridor. Ft. Meade, DC, Andrews AFB, Langley, Ft. AP Hill, Norfolk. The whole eastern seaboard would be lit up.

Graebarde
11-25-2012, 09:35 AM
Oh I definitely think he'd have surrendered, I just don't think people wouldn't have fought. If that makes sense.

Makes sense to me. Perhaps one of the reasons behind CivGov-MilGov divide over time in Twilight.