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raketenjagdpanzer
04-11-2013, 05:29 PM
Just in case you were running Ruins of Warsaw, and wanted to see what a Trident-II D-5 spread would do to a modern city.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?t=2537e1233e6b611a40e6db5d80a60135

Two of the blasts virtually overlap, so varying damage there is irrelevant, which is why there's no 6th blast ring.

Also not shown are the sites where warheads hit "military units to the southeast"

Cdnwolf
04-11-2013, 05:47 PM
Using your scenario it looks like the Vistula river takes a direct hit... I wonder what effect it had on the river?

Raellus
04-11-2013, 05:52 PM
Thanks for posting the link, Rak. I'm starting a unit on the Cold War with my 11th graders next week and I'll be using the nukemap to show them what a nuke could do to their hometown. I'll think that'll get them interested.

As for RoW, clearly, the authors did not do their homework. That's something a well-informed GM could adjust for his/her campaign.

Tegyrius
04-11-2013, 06:07 PM
In their defense, a lot of that homework was a lot harder to do thirty years ago.

- C.

Raellus
04-11-2013, 07:00 PM
In their defense, a lot of that homework was a lot harder to do thirty years ago.

Very true. My statement reads a lot harsher than it was intended.

raketenjagdpanzer
04-11-2013, 09:33 PM
1.5 megaton ground-burst at MacDill AFB, Tampa, FL USA:

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?lat=27.849167&lng=-82.52138500000001&zm=11&kt=1500

Tampa Bay has an average depth of approximately 3m (12ft); it isn't mentioned but given the overpressure from the explosion it is likely a great portion of the bay would, for a few moments, cease to exist. Much of it would be flash-vaporized and fall on the rest of Hillsborough County and points west and northwest as heavy water rain fallout. Seawater rushing back in after the initial detonation would hit the sun-hot surface of the tarmac and flash into even more radioactive steam.

The comment in...I want to say it's Howling Wilderness? Or may be another module...about exotic wild animals that had "escaped from a theme park"? Yeah, Busch Gardens, Tampa is about 5 miles from the outer edge of the blast. Those animals would be dead within a day from the 3rd degree burns they'd suffered. If not, then from fallout, and failing that from starvation if they were locked in enclosures.

Matt Wiser
04-11-2013, 09:47 PM
MacDill was an air burst, according to HW.

raketenjagdpanzer
04-11-2013, 10:07 PM
MacDill was an air burst, according to HW.

Okay; for some reason I thought they caught a ground burst.

Jason
04-11-2013, 10:37 PM
Is there a way to show an air-burst? Seems like most of the U.S. targets were air-bursts.

EDIT: Did a little research and found out this info about the simulator.


Recently the web saw the emergence of a new online nuclear detonation simulator: NUKEMAP.

Created by Alex Wellerstein, a historian of science at the American Institute of Physics and blogger at “Restricted Data The Nuclear Secrecy Blog,” this simulator is the best example of an admittedly small class of apps. It allows one to pick the target and yield of the device, either through drop down boxes or by entering unique values. For the sake of simplicity, it defaults with an idealized air burst which eliminates the computational messiness of modeling the influence of unique geography and weather.


This is good to know. Near my own hometown, Omaha, Ne is Offut AFB.

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?lat=41.11782249503046&lng=-95.91073492204589&zm=11&kt=1500

raketenjagdpanzer
04-12-2013, 01:17 AM
Omaha would probably catch more than a few overlapping bursts; maybe a spread from SS-25-Ns (which would be "good" because those would "only" be 100kt warheads - 4 of 'em) but more likely had a couple or 3 ICBMs - SS18s or a laydown pattern from an SS-19 or two (up to 550mt each warhead, up to 6).

raketenjagdpanzer
04-12-2013, 01:19 AM
Using your scenario it looks like the Vistula river takes a direct hit... I wonder what effect it had on the river?

If they were airbursts, other than temporarily boiling away much of the water, not much. If they were groundbursts, they'd slightly divert the river into the new "ponds" created by blast craters.

Jason
04-12-2013, 12:59 PM
Omaha would probably catch more than a few overlapping bursts; maybe a spread from SS-25-Ns (which would be "good" because those would "only" be 100kt warheads - 4 of 'em) but more likely had a couple or 3 ICBMs - SS18s or a laydown pattern from an SS-19 or two (up to 550mt each warhead, up to 6).

Oh, I agree with you, but I am going by the target list in the 2.2 rule book.

WallShadow
04-15-2013, 07:44 PM
raketenjagdpanzer made mention of some minor warheads of 100kt--I guess it's all in how they are placed.
Doing some calculating with NukeMap program, I could sever land travel betweem most of the Northeast from the Midwest by nuking about 20 bridges.That's about 5 or 6 MIRV'd ICBMs with a few left over for double-taps or insurance against misfires, right?

Now that may not seem as vital as the refinery capacity or weapons plants, but when you also consider that the rivers themselves would suffer a lot from the bridge debris, hindering any barge traffic attempting to bypass the bridges, it all adds up to a big logistical mess.

raketenjagdpanzer
04-15-2013, 08:35 PM
In light of today's events i would like to emphatically state that this is simulation data generated for a role-playing game based on an historical period that no longer exists.

Cdnwolf
04-15-2013, 09:14 PM
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/boston-marathon-headquarters-locked-down-blasts-heard-190228459--spt.html

simonmark6
04-16-2013, 04:30 PM
My sympathies go out to everyone affected by this tragedy.

Schone23666
04-22-2013, 08:24 PM
Just in case you were running Ruins of Warsaw, and wanted to see what a Trident-II D-5 spread would do to a modern city.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?t=2537e1233e6b611a40e6db5d80a60135

Two of the blasts virtually overlap, so varying damage there is irrelevant, which is why there's no 6th blast ring.

Also not shown are the sites where warheads hit "military units to the southeast"

One word: OUCH.