Ebola case now confirmed in Dallas

[Cdnwolf]

http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/09/29/dallas-presbyterian-hospital-ebola-patient-isolation/16460629/

[Cdnwolf]

America’s first Ebola patient was around school-aged children before he was put into quarantine at Dallas hospital, officials said.

Health officials said five kids were in contact with the patient over the weekend — after he was discharged from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Friday because doctors failed to ask about his travel history,*sources told CNN.

The kids went to school earlier this week before the man diagnosed and isolated Tuesday, marking the first Ebola case diagnosed on U.S. soil.

[stormlion1]

apparently when they came to pick him up he was outside puking his guts up all over the sidewalk. I wonder if they just sprayed it into the gutter and walked away?

[mikeo80]

Now there is a possible case in Washington DC.

I have one very stupid question....

Why the F*** are we allowing anyone from that part of the world to enter the US?

The watch towers are manned, scouts are patrolling, The draw bridge is still down...for now. The moat monster is still in its' cage....for now.

My $0.02

Mike

[Cdnwolf]

How the government thinks.

[stormlion1]

Its very hard to actually restrict air travel from anywhere. Liberia is especially hard due to its ties to the US. And even if they did, something as simple as going to another country and getting on a airplane is all that's needed for it to spread. You would have to quarantine the entire African continent, no one in or out and everybody would have to do it to stop its spread. I don't see that happening anytime soon as the bleeding hearts bring people in, complain when they can't get in, and send people over to help them the let the infected helpers return to the US for treatment.

Proper response is anyone from that part of the world to be flown to a safe location and quarantined for a month like they were passing through Immigration from back in the day. An Island is best, someplace if it gets out can be firebombed and ignored afterwords.

[kato13]

I am not sure I support a US flight ban yet (I'm close), but many countries have implemented them

Countries that have implemented Ebola-related travel restrictions:

Gambia has banned the entry of flights from Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
Gabon has banned the entry of flights and ships from countries affected by Ebola.
Senegal has banned flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Cameroon has banned flights to and from Nigeria.
Chad has suspended all flights from Nigeria.
Côte d'Ivoire has banned all passenger flights from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Nigeria has suspended flights to the country operated by Gambian national carrier Gambia Bird.


Details of airlines that have restricted flights to Ebola-affected countries:

Air France suspended flights to Sierra Leone from 28 August.
The Togo-based carrier Asky Airlines has suspended flights to and from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
Arik Air (Nigeria),Gambia Bird and Kenya Airways have suspended services to Liberia and Sierra Leone.
British Airways has extended their suspension of flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until 31 December.
Ceiba Intercontinental, the national airline of Equatorial Guinea, has reportedly suspended flights to West African countries. In addition, the airline has suspended flights to Cameroon's capital Douala from 1 September.
Emirates Airlines has suspended flights to Guinea.
Korean Air suspended flights to and from Kenya from 20 August.
Senegal Airlines has suspended flights to and from Conakry (Guinea) until further notice.


Source
https://www.internationalsos.com/ebola/index.cfm?content_id=435&language_id=ENG

[.45cultist]

This Govt. has flubbed everything else, why not response to a pandemic? We have stringent measures in place my *ss.

[Schone23666]

The man that was diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas has died. CDC and Homeland Security are holding a press briefing right now. They're apparently introducing new protection/screening measures at international airports along the East Coast.

You'd think they would have done this BEFORE the first damn Ebola carrier came here to the States, yeesh.

[Cdnwolf]

A Sheriff's deputy who first visited the house where the first patient was staying is not hospitalized with possible symptoms but nothing has been confirmed.

[kato13]

A Sheriff's deputy who first visited the house where the first patient was staying is not hospitalized with possible symptoms but nothing has been confirmed.

If this develops into Ebola, this will be the game changer as far as public opinion goes. The timing right before an election will lead to rapid changes in policies.

[Schone23666]

There is now a possible outbreak in Spain as well. Methinks it's only going to get worse from here.

http://news.yahoo.com/eu-demands-explanation-spain-ebola-case-084859314.html

Stormlion, you were right. This is what happens when people get bloody careless and they inadvertently bring home the slate-wiper with them.

[Jason Weiser]

In the "are you just that stupid column?"

http://washingtonexaminer.com/hhs-secretary-there-may-be-other-cases-of-ebola-in-the-u.s./article/2554588

:rolleyes::mad:

[kato13]

The Deputy was tested and came back negative.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/09/6188006/deputy-showing-no-signs-of-ebola.html

[Schone23666]

The Deputy was tested and came back negative.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/09/6188006/deputy-showing-no-signs-of-ebola.html

At least there's some good news for now.

Problem is? Flu season's here, or will be soon, and if there's more cases of Ebola showing up in the U.S. at some point, a lot of people are not gonna know the difference in symptoms between which and are going to be jamming the ER departments of every available hospital, including the one that I work in. And that one has it's patient rooms operating at full capacity on a regular basis. Or, alternative scenario, get scared of contracting the disease and just avoid hospitals and clinics altogether and avoid seeking medical help.

This virus is only half the problem. Possibility of a mass panic is the other.

[kato13]

OK this may be bad. (It is only a preliminary test so far)

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/texas-health-care-worker-tests-positive-ebola-n223946

It is still in the realm of healthcare workers who had direct contact which is a plus compared to the deputy, but if confirmed it is the first case of an infection on US soil.

[Cdnwolf]

Possible one in Brooklyn now. Slowly getting my survival gear updated. Looking at my country I predict Toronto will have the first case in Canada.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2788995/ebola-brooklyn-teen-rushed-hospital-showing-symptoms-deadly-virus-following-trip-sudan-lied-officials-sick-fly-home.html#ixzz3FqcgSyqL

[Cdnwolf]

Ahh the good old USA.

[kato13]

Second healthcare worker at the Dallas hospital tests positive.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_ab3cd5a9b32c450aa5a13e1a4a14c60e

Once you have the second of something the assumption that the first was a fluke goes out the window.

The one positive that can be wrought from this is it is still in the realm of people in contact with someone with full blown symptoms when bodily fluids have their highest virus loads.

[Cdnwolf]

Second healthcare worker at the Dallas hospital tests positive.

http://www.breitbart.com/system/wire/ap_ab3cd5a9b32c450aa5a13e1a4a14c60e

Once you have the second of something the assumption that the first was a fluke goes out the window.

The one positive that can be wrought from this is it is still in the realm of people in contact with someone with full blown symptoms when bodily fluids have their highest virus loads.

Patient left in open area

In a conference call late Tuesday, the nation's largest nurses' union described how the patient, Duncan, was left in an open area of the emergency room for hours. National Nurses United, citing unnamed nurses, said staff treated Duncan for days without the correct protective gear, that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling and safety protocols constantly changed.

RoseAnn DeMoro, executive director of Nurses United, refused to say how many nurses made the statement about Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, but insisted they were in a position to know what happened.

A total of 76 people at the hospital might have been exposed to Duncan, and all of them are being monitored for fever and other symptoms daily, Frieden said. Nurse Nina Pham contracted the virus while caring for Duncan. Health officials are monitoring 48 others who had some contact with Duncan before he was admitted the hospital where he died. The Associated Press reported Monday that Pham was among about 70 hospital staffers who were involved in Duncan's care after he was hospitalized, based on medical records provided by his family.

From a CBC report.

[Cdnwolf]

The second health care worker to test positive for*Ebola*in Dallas traveled by air the day before*presenting symptoms and being isolated, the CDC announced Wednesday.

[stormlion1]

So possible contamination in a airplane seat, anywhere that nurse touched in the airplane, two full airports full of people, and wherever they traveled before and after. Yup, possible epidemic in the making. Time to stop fist bumping people without gloves on.

[Targan]

Still no cause for general panic. I regard the likelihood of a full-blown Ebola epidemic occurring in a country with first-world healthcare as miniscule. I think you could have a lot of damage from unchecked public panic though.

[kato13]

I think it is too early to say.

From a strictly math perspective you have one infection leading to 2 secondary infections. If that trend continues humanity is doomed.

Of course things are not that simple. Generally I am not concerned as the secondary infections seem to come from high virus load environments. Countering that is fact that the Government and the CDC have been wrong at just about every turn so far. (I love the fact that they say you can give someone the infection on a bus, but you cannot catch it on one. Link (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/brittany-m-hughes/cdc-you-can-give-can-t-get-ebola-bus))

I don't see "panic" being a danger either, but if we see a secondary infection come from the airline flight, then the economic impact could be enormous if people start to avoid public places.

[Cdnwolf]

And then you have this....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794854/what-thinking-mystery-man-without-hazmat-suit-seen-helping-2nd-ebola-nurse-board-plane-atlanta-joining-them.html

[.45cultist]

When it comes to airborne transmission Ebola's mutation rate makes it the "room full of monkeys with typewriters". Today is transportation systems makes this worse. While not time to panic, storm supplies might need to be expanded if one believes a quarantine is likely for thier area.

[Cdnwolf]

When it comes to airborne transmission Ebola's mutation rate makes it the "room full of monkeys with typewriters". Today is transportation systems makes this worse. While not time to panic, storm supplies might need to be expanded if one believes a quarantine is likely for their area.

And make sure you have hard copies made of all your favorite games and plenty of dice in case you are stuck someplace for a long time.

[Olefin]

Alll comes down to whether countries are willing to do what is needed if it does come to a large scale outbreak - which is to curtail transportation and quarantine ruthlessly if need be.

And I dont see the current governments in the US and Europe having that "gumption" to stand up and do that before things get very very bad - and possibly too late.

[Olefin]

Surprised yet that I havent heard any news outlet mention the Tom Clancy book "Executive Orders" about an ebola outbreak in the US - shows that most aren't really that well read.

[kato13]

Well that was a bioterrorism incident in the book so the connection is not really there. I'm surprised the non fiction "The Hot Zone" has not gotten more attention.

The chapter of the book where an infected passenger starts to disintegrate on an airplane is the stuff of nightmares.

http://www.richardpreston.net/books/hz_excerpt.html

[Olefin]

Actually Kato I was referring more to the isolation methods that were put in place and bans on travel that in the book stopped the spread dead - those came from bio war plans the US government was using at the time.

have to read that book -that sounds like an interesting book

[Cdnwolf]

Surprised yet that I havent heard any news outlet mention the Tom Clancy book "Executive Orders" about an ebola outbreak in the US - shows that most aren't really that well read.

Great minds think alike. All i know about ebola and how it works I got from that book. But reading up on the HOT ZONE.... wow


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hot_Zone

[kato13]

Great minds think alike. All i know about ebola and how it works I got from that book. But reading up on the HOT ZONE.... wow


When Stephen King says the first chapter is the scariest thing he ever read (and it is a true story) you have to take notice.

Back to Exec Orders, I think that Clancy ended up being a mixed bag in terms of being accurate. On the one hand the expectation the every subsequent generation of Ebola gets weaker does not seem to be panning out in the outbreak (at least in Africa). But he did correctly cover the fact that people in first world nations would be less likely to contract the disease due to simple things like better dental care, lack of skin lesions, and fewer chronic infections.

[stormlion1]

For some reason when it comes to Virus outbreaks I think of the book Rainbow Six for some reason. Actually me and some buds were actually trying to figure out what we would need to operate in a world with a mass outbreak of some kind of virus. Came down to buying full body raingear with hoods and gas masks with plastic bags over socks in rubber boots and rubber gloves and spray bottles full of alcohol or bleach to decontaminate after going out. The use of Duct tape to seal off any open area's as well and maybe cheap plastic aprons that can be thrown away as a extra barrier.

Yeah, we have to much free time at work.

[.45cultist]

Ebola is small enough to get through biological gas mask filters if airborne, also it's too primitive to fight effectively. Ebola makes a good boogyman in game terms, but the PC's would need to be immune. Real life terms, having enough supplies and isolation are the best defense.

[Cdnwolf]

Doctor in New York City now confirmed to have Ebola.

[kato13]

Another case where screenings did not catch it. He was a high risk candidate (treated patients in W Africa).

Now we watch for secondary infections. If there is one beyond his girlfriend people will start to get scared.

On the plus side the two Dallas nurses never got below "fair" condition (and that was mostly due to travel stress) and seem to be on the way to a full recovery.

Another positive development is that French researchers are looking at mass producing a urine/blood stick test which will detect Ebola before one shows symptoms. (Link (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/ebola-crisis-new-15minute-test-kits-could-soon-be-sent-to-west-africa-9809697.html))

[Cdnwolf]

Stupid thing is he was a doctor coming back from an Ebola hotspot. He should have know to isolate himself for at least 21 days before going into public.

[stormlion1]

People think themselves immune until proven otherwise. So they go out and do there normal thing. NY and NJ have started 21 day quarantines now at point of travel from Africa. About time.

[.45cultist]

I was told by someone who used to plan for these events that if you see symptoms for Ebola, it's too late.

[unkated]

Ebola is small enough to get through biological gas mask filters if airborne, also it's too primitive to fight effectively. Ebola makes a good boogyman in game terms, but the PC's would need to be immune.

Or having survived. Hmmm. You could have a unit formed of early survivors, mostly military, for relief duties, and then have things fall further apart, leaving the group on their own.

Say, a doctor or nurse with extra training (for medical centric tasks), an engineer (for infrastructure tasks), and N grunts for muscle & boots ('just hold this, and hand it to me when I ask; you two lift on my command') and security.

... And two weeks in, the team gets a radio message from CDC regional HQ "There is a mob outside trying to break in here, I guess for food or medicine, and I have only six troops left not in a ward. Damn, I can hear them breaking in. You're going to have to go to the next regional HQ and try to contact them. I'd say try Cleveland, but they've been offline for three days.

"Good Luck, your on your own." (how else would it start? :) )

On the plus side, infrastructure would at least exist, although it would probably run down or be turned off to avoid untended damage.

As a game, you would have an immediate chaotic period, but no definitive opposition. You'd have to jump ahead a bit to get an organized opposition bigger than a gang, IMHO.

Uncle Ted

[.45cultist]

Or having survived. Hmmm. You could have a unit formed of early survivors, mostly military, for relief duties, and then have things fall further apart, leaving the group on their own.

Say, a doctor or nurse with extra training (for medical centric tasks), an engineer (for infrastructure tasks), and N grunts for muscle & boots ('just hold this, and hand it to me when I ask; you two lift on my command') and security.

... And two weeks in, the team gets a radio message from CDC regional HQ "There is a mob outside trying to break in here, I guess for food or medicine, and I have only six troops left not in a ward. Damn, I can hear them breaking in. You're going to have to go to the next regional HQ and try to contact them. I'd say try Cleveland, but they've been offline for three days.

"Good Luck, your on your own." (how else would it start? :) )

On the plus side, infrastructure would at least exist, although it would probably run down or be turned off to avoid untended damage.

As a game, you would have an immediate chaotic period, but no definitive opposition. You'd have to jump ahead a bit to get an organized opposition bigger than a gang, IMHO.

Uncle Ted
And all the stuff for WWIII works for this scenario as well! Rebuild, survive, scout and salvage. Mobs and chaos damage enough that it's a challenge. If your using V2/2.2, you can adapt T2013's careers or use Dark Conspiracy and it's Booster Kit for civvies, drop EMP, and skip Cyborg, ET, Android careers.