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mcchordsage
10-07-2017, 02:07 AM
I don't know how much interest there is in this setting still beyond myself. A couple days ago, something got me to thinking about the combat units of the Army Reserve that existed up until 1965. They were referred to as the Reinforcing Reserve, the surviving divisions after several were reduced to independent brigades in 1963. The 1965 letter of instruction directing their inactivation stated that "The USAR Reinforcing Reserve units are not included in any plans" before ordering their disbandment in place of the Selected Reserve Force.
What follows is a best effort to compile at least the combat units of each of the ten USAR combat infantry divisions active when the war in Twilight 1964 began and their home stations. Unfortunately, while some digging uncovered records on most armor/cavalry/artillery/infantry units, it was difficult to find anything on supporting units. Additionally, many artillery units did not have their gun-type included in anything I was able to uncover.
63rd Infantry Division
-3rd Battle Group, 21st Infantry (ex-63rd Recon Co.): Santa Barbara, CA
-3rd Battle Group, 31st Infantry (ex-253rd Inf): Los Angeles, CA
-3rd Battle Group, 30th Infantry (ex-254th Inf): Pasadena, CA
-3rd Battle Group, 27th Infantry (ex-255th Inf): Los Angeles, CA
-3rd Battle Group, 15th Infantry (ex-2/254th Inf): Santa Ana, CA
Armored/Cav
-5th Reconnaissance Squadron, 8th Cavalry: San Diego, CA
-7th Medium Tank Battalion, 40th Armor: El Monte, CA
Division Artillery
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 11th Artillery: Fresno, CA
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 19th Artillery: San Bernadino, CA
-4th Rocket Howitzer Battalion, 21st Artillery: Bell, CA
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 35th Artillery: Pasadena, CA
-3rd Howitzer Battalion, 77th Artillery: Van Nuys, CA
77th Infantry Division
-1st Battle Group, 305th Infantry: Long Island City
-1st Battle Group, 306th Infantry: Jamaica
-1st Battle Group, 307th Infantry: Bronx
-3rd Battle Group, 1st Infantry (ex-2/305th Inf): New York City
-3rd Battle Group, 26th Infantry (ex-1/306th Inf): New York City
Armored/Cav
-3rd Reconnaissance Squadron, 10th Cavalry: Long Island City
-5th Medium Tank Battalion, 68th Armor: Bronx
Division Artillery
-6th Howitzer Battalion, 5th Artillery: Bronx
-6th Howitzer Battalion, 7th Artillery: White Plains
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 12th Artillery: Hempstead
-6th Howitzer Battalion, 31st Artillery: New York City
-3rd Howitzer Battalion, 73d Artillery: Poughkeepsie
79th Infantry Division
-3rd Battle Group, 12th Infantry (ex-319th Inf, 80 ID): Baltimore, MD
-1st Battle Group, 315th Infantry: Philadelphia, PA
-1st Battle Group, 313th Infantry: Harrisburg, PA
-1st Battle Group, 314th Infantry: Pittsburgh, PA
-3rd Battle Group, 34th Infantry (ex-2/314th Inf): Uniontown, PA
Armored/Cav
-3rd Reconnaissance Squadron, 9th Cavalry: Philadelphia, PA
-6th Medium Tank Battalion, 68th Armor: Allentown, PA
Division Artillery
-6th Rocket Battalion, (HJ), 1st Artillery: Harrisburg, PA
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 9th Artillery: Washington, PA
-3d Howitzer Battalion, 15th Artillery: Reading, PA
-3d Howitzer Battalion, 27th Artillery: Pittsburgh, PA
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 37th Artillery: Philadelphia, PA
81st Infantry
-3rd Battle Group, 29th Infantry (ex-519th Inf): Columbus, GA
-1st Battle Group, 322nd Infantry: Athens, GA
-3rd Battle Group, 47th Infantry (ex-3/322nd Inf): Atlanta, GA
-1st Battle Group, 345th Infantry: Nashville, TN
-4th Battle Group, 32nd Infantry (ex-2/345th Inf): Knoxville, TN
Armored/Cav
-3rd Reconnaissance Squadron, 15th Cavalry: Atlanta, GA
-5th Medium Tank Battalion, 69th Armor: Athens, GA
Division Artillery
-3d Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 8th Artillery: Rome, GA
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 10th Artillery: Asheville, NC
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 12th Artillery: Atlanta, GA
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 16th Artillery: Greenville, SC
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 18th Artillery: Catanooga, TN
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 22d Artillery: Greenville, SC
DISCOM
-306th Medical Battalion
83rd Infantry Division
-3rd Battle Group, 28th Infantry (ex-331st Infantry): Akron, OH
-3rd Battle Group, 11th Infantry (ex-336th Infantry): Cincinnati, OH
-3rd Battle Group, 2nd Infantry (ex-332nd Infantry): Columbus, OH
-3rd Battle Group, 10th Infantry (ex-1st Bn, 331st Inf): Cleveland, OH
-4th Battle Group, 19th Infantry (ex-398th Inf, 100th Div): South Charleston, WV
Armored/Cav
-4th Reconnaissance Squadron, 9th Cavalry: Mansfield, OH
-7th Medium Tank Battalion, 68th Armor: Salem, OH
Division Artillery
-7th Howitzer Battalion, (105mm towed), 1st Artillery: Cleveland, OH
-9th Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (Honest John), 9th Artillery: Lima, OH
-5th Howitzer Battalion, (105mm SP), 14th Artillery: Toledo, OH
-5th Howitzer Battalion, (105mm towed), 15th Artillery: Dayton, OH
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 27th Artillery: Chillicothe, OH
-7th Howitzer Battalion, (155mm/8in towed), 28th Artillery: Columbus, OH
DISCOM
-83rd Supply and Transport Battalion
-308th Medical Battalion
-783rd Maintenance Battalion
Other
-83rd Signal Battalion
-308th Engineer Battalion
90th Infantry Division
-1st Battle Group, 358th Infantry: Bryan, TX
-1st Battle Group, 359th Infantry: Dallas, TX
-3rd Battle Group, 20th Infantry (ex-2/359th Inf): Houston, TX
-1st Battle Group, 357th Infantry: San Antonio, TX
-3rd Battle Group, 23rd Infantry (ex-3/357th Inf): Harlingen, TX
Armored/Cav
-4th Reconnaissance Squadron, 15th Cavalry: San Antonio, TX
-5th Medium Tank Battalion, 37th Armor: Laredo, TX
Division Artillery
-3rd Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 12th Artillery: Dallas, TX
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 15th Artillery: San Antonio, TX
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 17th Artillery: Beaumont, TX
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 19th Artillery: Bryan, TX
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 77th Artillery: Austin, TX
-3rd Howitzer Battalion, 78th Artillery: Amarillo, TX
94th Infantry Division
-3rd Battle Group, 5th Infantry (ex-301st Inf): Boston, MA
-3rd Battle Group, 13th Infantry (ex-302nd Inf): Roslindale, MA
-3rd Battle Group, 16th Infantry (ex-376th Inf): Worcester, MA
-3rd Battle Group, 18th Infantry (ex-3/301st Inf): Lawrence, MA
-3rd Battle Group, 35th Infantry (ex-2/376th Inf): Springfield, MA
Armored/Cav
-4th Reconnaissance Squadron, 5th Cavalry: Boston, MA
-9th Medium Tank Battalion, 34th Armor: Boston, MA
Division Artillery
-5th Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 5th Artillery: Boston, MA
-7th Howitzer Battalion, 7th Artillery: Worcester, MA
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 10th Artillery: Needham, MA
-6th Howitzer Battalion, 11th Artillery: Cambridge, MA
-3rd Howitzer Battalion, 22d Artillery: Springfield, MA
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 73d Artillery: Lawrence, MA
96th Infantry Division
-1st Battle Group, 381st Infantry: Great Falls, MT
-1st Battle Group, 383rd Infantry: Fort Douglas, UT
-3rd Battle Group, 38th Infantry (ex-382nd Engineer Grp): Provo, UT
-3rd Battle Group, 22nd Infantry (ex-3/381st Inf): Boise, ID
-1st Battle Group, 59th Infantry: Phoenix, AZ
Armored/Cav
-4th Reconnaissance Squadron, 8th Cavalry: Salt Lake City, UT
-8th Medium Tank Battalion, 40th Armor: Tucson, AZ
Division Artillery
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 2nd Artillery: Twin Falls, ID
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 9th Artillery: Phoenix, AZ
-4th Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 11th Artillery: Salt Lake City, UT
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 21st Artillery: Ogden, UT
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 34th Artillery: Salt Lake City, UT
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 35th Artillery: Billings, MT
102nd Infantry Division
-3rd Battle Group, 7th Infantry (ex-85th QM; Co. A, Co. B, Tk Co. of 338th Inf.): Danville, IL
-3rd Battle Group, 9th Infantry (ex-2/405th Inf): Quincy, IL
-4th Battle Group, 6th Infantry (ex-2/407th Inf): St. Louis, MO
-3rd Battle Group, 4th Infantry (ex-3/407th Inf): Fairfield, IL
-3rd Battle Group, 14th Infantry (ex-406th Inf): Kansas City, MO
Armored/Cav
-4th Reconnaissance Squadron, 4th Cavalry: Kansas City, MO
-4th Medium Tank Battalion, 35th Armor: St. Louis, MO
Division Artillery
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 13th Artillery: St. Louis, MO
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 14th Artillery: Wood River, IL
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 20th Artillery: Decatur, IL
-3rd Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 31st Artillery: St. Joseph, MO
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 34th Artillery: Belleville, IL
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 78th Artillery: Kansas City, MO
103rd Infantry Division
-1st Battle Group, 409th Infantry: Roseville, MN
-1st Battle Group, 411th Infantry (ex-3/411th Inf): Madison, WI
-3rd Battle Group, 17th Infantry (ex-Co. I, 410th Inf): Council Bluffs, IA
-1st Battle Group, 410th Infantry: Iowa City, IA
-3rd Battle Group, 3rd Infantry: Fort Snelling, MN
Armored/Cav
-5th Reconnaissance Squadron, 4th Cavalry: Ottumwa, IA
-4th Medium Tank Battalion, 33rd Armor: Fort Snelling, MN
Division Artillery
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 8th Artillery: Milwaukee, WI
-6th Howitzer Battalion, 13th Artillery: Fort Snelling, MN
-3rd Howitzer Battalion, 14th Artillery: Sioux City, IA
-3d Howitzer Battalion, 20th Artillery: Ames, IA
-4th Howitzer Battalion, 31st Artillery: Fort Snelling, MN
-3rd Rocket Howitzer Battalion, (HJ), 34th Artillery: Green Bay, WI
Non-Divisional Units (Not exhaustive):
Mostly included because of their curious nature, or for being non-divisonal combat units.
-100th Battle Group, 442nd Infantry: Honolulu, HI
-773rd Transportation Company (Medium Truck) (Petroleum): 1st Army
-4th Medium Tank Battalion, 67th Armor: Wheeling, WV
-5th Howitzer Battalion (8 inch self-propelled), 28th Artillery: 2nd Army
-379th Military Police Detachment (Crime Laboratory): 2nd Army
-402nd Military Police Prisoner of War Camp: 2nd Army
-142nd Transportation Detachment (Highway Regulation Point): 2nd Army
-5th Battalion (175mm gun SP), 28th Artillery: 2nd Army
-Battery C (Searchlight), 29th Artillery: 2nd Army
-4th Howitzer Battalion (8" howitzer), 17th Artillery: 3rd Army
-3rd Medium Tank Battalion, 67th Armor: Tallahassee, FL
-5th Howitzer Battalion (105mm towed), 79th Artillery: 3rd Army
-4th Howitzer Battalion (8" howitzer), 82nd Artillery: 3rd Army
-4th Howitzer Battalion (8" howitzer), 83rd Artillery: 3rd Army
-329th Ambulance Train (Rail): 3rd Army
-369th Ambulance Train (Rail): 3rd Army
-432nd Signal Detachment (Airplane Observation): 3rd Army
-5th Howitzer Battalion, 13th Infantry: 5th Army
-511th Transportation Platoon (BARC): 5th Army
https://i.imgur.com/dDr2USs.jpg
"Pentomic" division table of organization from Army Reserve Magazine, 1958.
Sources:
-US Army Center for Military History Lineage Series: Armor-Cavalry Vol. 1, Regular Army and Reserve
-US Army Center for Military History Lineage Series: Field Artillery, Part 1 and 2
-Army Reserve Magazine, Vol. 1-10, 1954-1963
-GO #14, 1961
-GO #14, 1963
-GO #8, 1964
Hi Mcchordsage I remember this alternative version of the Twilight War. It was a very good read if a bit far out there. I saved it all onto a CD and I posted it all up on here about five years ago or so. I think everyone who read it liked it.
I've been checking this list with the first and second additions of the American Combat Vehicle Handbook. None of the ten divisions were listed as reformed in the Twilight War, at least not before the U.S. government split into CIVGOV and MILGOV factions. After the splitting of the U.S. Government I believe there were militia units attached to both factions. It is conceivable that either faction could reform these divisions and fill them with militia or new recruits to increase the number and the loyalties of the forces under their command in CONUS. I don't think raising the manpower would be a problem, but equipping and arming them would certainly be a problem. More likely divisions in name only, but of brigade size with some weak regiments and battalions. But they would still be an organised force under a command structure, and more accountable to either faction than irregular militia forces.
Do you have any more information on the organisation of of U.S. forces in this period?
Silent Hunter UK
10-08-2017, 08:30 AM
Can you post this again please? It sounds very interesting.
mcchordsage
10-08-2017, 11:06 AM
Can you post this again please? It sounds very interesting.
It's actually here on the forum in its entirety if you search Twilight 1964. That's what I usually reference. It is kind of out there, there are things I don't think are correct or really accurate. However, I'm a sucker for early 60s US Army tech, when things were still on the Pentomic model. To me, it's worth noting that at least on paper most of these divisions were allotted Honest John nuclear-capable rockets, even if the battalions only trained with the launchers once a year.
Hi Mcchordsage I remember this alternative version of the Twilight War. It was a very good read if a bit far out there. I saved it all onto a CD and I posted it all up on here about five years ago or so. I think everyone who read it liked it.
I've been checking this list with the first and second additions of the American Combat Vehicle Handbook. None of the ten divisions were listed as reformed in the Twilight War, at least not before the U.S. government split into CIVGOV and MILGOV factions. After the splitting of the U.S. Government I believe there were militia units attached to both factions. It is conceivable that either faction could reform these divisions and fill them with militia or new recruits to increase the number and the loyalties of the forces under their command in CONUS. I don't think raising the manpower would be a problem, but equipping and arming them would certainly be a problem. More likely divisions in name only, but of brigade size with some weak regiments and battalions. But they would still be an organised force under a command structure, and more accountable to either faction than irregular militia forces.
Do you have any more information on the organisation of of U.S. forces in this period?
My idea was to provide some flexible options for an early 1960s Twilight War campaign by laying out the order of battle, like in the vehicle guides, to give folks something to work with. The PDF version I plan to post tonight will also include all the non-divisional, mostly support, units I've identified.
Most of them had been converted to Army Reserve Commands or support commands (63rd, 90th, 77th, 83rd, 96th, 94th, 103rd, 81st) or separate brigades (102nd men formed the 205th Infantry Brigade, 96th men formed the 191st Infantry Brigade, 94th men formed the 187th Infantry Brigade). None of these units continued the lineages of the WW2 or 1950s-1960s combat divisions, however. They were authorized to wear the shoulder sleeve insignia but the army did not consider them a descendant of the original division.
I think that's what most folks do with the ARCOMs and the training divisions not mentioned as being fed overseas (or in the case of the 77th, straight into the NYC mess). Makes sense, though I imagine a lot of the cadres would be gone, that the others were similarly used as command formations for militia or other ad-hoc formations.
It depends on what you want to know. There's a lot of material out there. 1962 is an interesting time for the Army, organizationally, which is a euphemism for being a mess. Units were almost all still on the old Pentomic order of battle, and ROAD was right around the corner. On top of that, quite a few of the Cavalry, Infantry, and Artillery battalions would be inactivated then reactivated in the regular army at a later date.
mcchordsage
10-08-2017, 12:01 PM
Didn't take as long as I thought. It's no-frills but has the info.
mcchordsage
10-10-2017, 10:27 AM
Update. Units added since the last one are in red.
mcchordsage
10-11-2017, 01:26 AM
Massive formatting overhaul for clarity, editing changes, illustrations added, units added.
Considering that this is a fairly niche subject without a lot of interest, this will probably serve as the "definitive" version for now, unless someone has corrections in the future.
mcchordsage
10-19-2017, 08:01 PM
Underestimated my own devotion to this: New version features a good start into National Guard divisions of 1962, an Annex listing all divisions of all components of the US Army and home stations in 1962, some graphical fixes, and a bit of light editing.
Next version will have all the National Guard information I can find in it.
swaghauler
10-22-2017, 02:50 PM
I served with the 4/92 Field Artillery (8" M110s, Reserve) in the late 1980's. I know it was in existence since WW2 and won a Presidential Unit Citation in Korea. The unit was originally headquartered in Clearfield PA but was moved to Erie PA in the mid-1960s. Headquarters, Alfa Battery, and Service Battery were in Erie. Bravo Battery was in Meadville PA, and Charley Battery was in New Castle PA. We were originally part of Second Army but got moved to First Army in the 1970s. We were officially "disbanded" in 1993 when the 8" SP was removed from service and replaced by the MLRS. Our guns were sold to Turkey in 1993. I didn't see the 4/92 FA on your list.
mcchordsage
10-24-2017, 11:53 PM
Sure, it'll go in the next round swaghauler!
The non-divisional units aren't anywhere close to complete. Not within any sort of circle of probable error even. What's on that list is whatever came up during my other research, essentially. Most of that means units that received Reserve Commendations in 1960-1963, got mentioned in Army Reserve Magazine articles, or cropped up in US Army Expansion, 1961-1962. There's a lot of talk in DoA reports about numbers of units called up or included in different force strengths but very little on what those units were, making it hard for me to get a firm grasp on things like corps or army artillery assets.
Your unit was called up during the Berlin Crisis, though, for the record. I suppose I should just comb the Field Artillery Lineage Series volumes for non-divisional units and sweep the CARL digital library for sources again. Frankly, there's been so little response overall it's hard to stay motivated. Expanding the National Guard division coverage is fairly easy and I've still called a halt on it.
mcchordsage
10-25-2017, 06:42 PM
New version now includes: 26th ID, 40th AD, 48th AD, 49th AD, 50th AD, all non-divisional USAR artillery units, formatting updates, alterations to artillery weapon type formatting.
At the risk of falling prey to hubris, I'm calling it here except for future formatting or editing fixes. There's a good deal of information available on the Regular Army divisions of the early 1960s and it doesn't really appeal to me, so, National Guard and Army Reserve is where it stops. Hopefully someone will get use out of this.
If you have any information, comments, critiques, or general suggestions PM me or post a comment to this web zone like swaghauler did.
Matt Wiser
10-25-2017, 09:05 PM
Thanks! This will also be useful in the Red Dawn timeline, where new divisions are being raised by the U.S. Army in the aftermath of the Soviet-led invasion.
mcchordsage
10-25-2017, 09:26 PM
There's a great document the Army put out in 1963 looking back at the lessons learned during the Berlin Crisis and Cuban Missile Crisis build-ups. It's got a lot of interesting lessons for how the big wheels were looking at preparing for the next crisis (and maybe war).
(It's a three-parter. (http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p4013coll11/id/942))
My basic assumption (I know, ass out of you and me, yada yada, we're talking about an imaginary conflict) is that the ROAD reorganization never gets carried through as the Army desperately tries to activate, man, and equip the units on active duty as well as reserve component formations. Everything listed here is still on the "Pentomic" or ROCID TOE from circa 1960 through late 1963.
unkated
10-31-2017, 03:06 PM
Formatting suggestion (w/o the extra lines):
32nd Infantry Division (National Guard)*
-1st Battle Group, 127th Infantry
-2nd Battle Group, 127th Infantry
-3rd Battle Group, 127th Infantry
-1st Battle Group, 128th Infantry
-2nd Battle Group, 128th Infantry
Armored/Cav
-2nd Reconnaissance Squadron, 105th Armor
-1st Medium Tank Battalion, 105th Armor
Division Artillery
-1st Howitzer Battalion, 120th Field Artillery
-2nd Howitzer Battalion, 120th Field Artillery
-1st Howitzer Battalion, 121st Field Artillery
-2nd Howitzer Battalion, 121st Field Artillery
-3rd Rocket Howitzer Battalion, 121st Field Artillery (Honest John)
-2nd Howitzer Battalion, 126th Field Artillery
DISCOM
-732nd Ordnance Battalion
-724th Engineer Battalion
-135th Medical Battalion
-132nd Signal Battalion
-232nd Transportation Battalion
-32nd Quartermaster Company
-32nd Aviation Company
-32nd Administration Company
-232nd Aircraft Maintenance Detachment
If you wish, I can send you simple instructions for MS Word to do this.
Uncle Ted
mcchordsage
11-01-2017, 01:01 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried a few different varieties of spacing and indents without really liking any of them. Then it got to the point where so much material had been added that the clarity issue slipped away.
mcchordsage
11-08-2017, 06:56 PM
New cover picture, 37th Infantry Division, new illustrations.
mcchordsage
11-11-2017, 08:17 PM
Should be some more details on the organization of the 32nd Infantry Division, weapon systems of the 29th Infantry Division's battalions, and organization of the 150th Armored Cavalry Regiment.
mcchordsage
11-13-2017, 03:17 PM
Formatting changes, table of contents added, illustrations and charts added, information revised, National Guard special forces groups added, weapon types of 29th Infantry Division artillery units added, order of battle for the 32nd Infantry Division added, order of battle for the 150th Armored Cavalry Regiment added.
Hit enter before I was finished. File will be here later.
mcchordsage
11-14-2017, 10:43 AM
Minor corrections to 32nd Infantry Division artillery units, major changes to 31st Infantry Division information and artillery, more non-divisional NG units added.
mcchordsage
11-16-2017, 11:34 PM
Interest has probably peaked, but here we are again.
Restored cut USAR non-divisional transportation unit content, added non-divisional USAR and NG transportation units, added new annex explaining what a tactical carrier battalion was (warning original writing here plus, gasp, GM advice), added non-divisional infantry battle groups to NG section, did some more editing, fixed errors in the table of contents.
Bonus zip file link with a bundle of some circa 1960-1962 US Army Field Manuals of the era I've been consulting in my own game planning. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/b1x7b52aq80mza6/T1964%20Field%20Manuals.zip?dl=0)
mcchordsage
11-20-2017, 04:33 PM
Changes: Formatting overhauls as suggested by unkated, editing clean-up.
mcchordsage
11-24-2017, 04:58 PM
Corrections to non-divisional National Guard units, tactical carrier units added, new supplementary file from original documents on infantry battle group organization and equipment.
mcchordsage
12-14-2017, 05:34 PM
Because this has laid fallow long enough, work on the unit locations part of a vehicle guide. Not much work progressing on it since the majority of American equipment from the era can already be found on Paul Mulcahy's excellent site. If anything, the vehicle section proper will end being more of a listing/description of the different available equipment, usage, and where-to-find-stats sort of deal.
mcchordsage
12-30-2017, 11:40 PM
Where have I been? Surprisingly, the holidays haven't managed to quite kill me. This new edition (Version 12, v11.8-11.10 were internal-only) includes some big overhauls. Finally having Microsoft Word reinstalled, managed to track down where that extra page kept coming from in the PDF.
Data wise: 29th Infantry Brigade, 92nd Infantry Brigade, tons of non-divisional National Guard artillery and air defense artillery, revisions to divisional data, more independent infantry battle groups, units activated for the Missile Crisis or Berlin Wall updated, editing corrections, and more.
hell-fish
01-25-2018, 01:12 AM
Thanks for all this work. I came across this in a Google search on Pentomic stuff for my own research, and was happy to see that there's still an active community for T2K - the only RPG that ever got me interested.
I notice you don't have the order of battle for the Californian 49th Infantry Division. If you'll allow me, this is the 1960 OOB. I also have all the active army divisional OOBs around here if you're interested in fleshing it out. Actually, see if this Google book preview (https://books.google.com/books?id=o2GMCUevXxkC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=49th+infantry+division&source=bl&ots=fvsqMuZ29D&sig=GF2DgqWEb1lWzxicT1KD1hG_o7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWhdLGxPLYAhXKwFMKHbi5CMwQ6AEIrgEwHA#v= onepage&q=49th%20infantry%20division&f=false) works for you. It has nearly all active and reserve-component divisions from 1917-2004, broken down into eras. The book is Infantry Division Components of the US Army by Timothy Aumiller
49th Infantry Division
Division Headquarters
579th Engineer Combat Battalion
49th Signal Battalion
49th Aviation Company
49th Military Police Company
49th Infantry Division Band
1st Tank Battalion, 149th Armor
2d Reconnaissance Squadron, 149th Armor
1st Battle Group 159th Infantry
2d Battle Group, 159th Infantry
1st Battle Group, 184th Infantry
2d Battle Group, 184th Infantry
3d Battle Group, 184th Infantry
Division Artillery
1st Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
2d Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
3dt Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
4th Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
5th Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
6th Battalion, 143d Field Artillery
Division Support Command
126th Medical Battalion
749th Ordnance Battalion
249th Transportation Battalion
49th Quartermaster Company
49th Administration Company
source: http://www.militarymuseum.org/49thORBAT60.html
shrike6
01-26-2018, 04:55 PM
Where have I been? Surprisingly, the holidays haven't managed to quite kill me. This new edition (Version 12, v11.8-11.10 were internal-only) includes some big overhauls. Finally having Microsoft Word reinstalled, managed to track down where that extra page kept coming from in the PDF.
Data wise: 29th Infantry Brigade, 92nd Infantry Brigade, tons of non-divisional National Guard artillery and air defense artillery, revisions to divisional data, more independent infantry battle groups, units activated for the Missile Crisis or Berlin Wall updated, editing corrections, and more.
Impressive work!
mcchordsage
01-26-2018, 10:06 PM
Thanks for all this work. I came across this in a Google search on Pentomic stuff for my own research, and was happy to see that there's still an active community for T2K - the only RPG that ever got me interested.
I notice you don't have the order of battle for the Californian 49th Infantry Division. If you'll allow me, this is the 1960 OOB. I also have all the active army divisional OOBs around here if you're interested in fleshing it out. Actually, see if this Google book preview (https://books.google.com/books?id=o2GMCUevXxkC&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=49th+infantry+division&source=bl&ots=fvsqMuZ29D&sig=GF2DgqWEb1lWzxicT1KD1hG_o7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWhdLGxPLYAhXKwFMKHbi5CMwQ6AEIrgEwHA#v= onepage&q=49th%20infantry%20division&f=false) works for you. It has nearly all active and reserve-component divisions from 1917-2004, broken down into eras. The book is Infantry Division Components of the US Army by Timothy Aumiller
Hi Hellfish! Thanks for the assistance! I actually already have the 49th Infantry Division's order of battle, but it has unfortunately been left out of the actual posted material! Somehow it got skipped over from the initial .txt to the second .txt to the Word document used to make these PDFs.
I actually have a physical copy of Infantry, Armor/Cavalry, and Artillery Battalions. The issue with the online preview version of Infantry Division Components is it doesn't show the 49th's 1960 order of battle. You'll see them both cited in the citations at the end of the main document. I didn't use the pure Military Museum list for mine because Battalions... has some different combat units. It's substantially the same, though, that's what I started from.
Active units aren't making it on the OOB document because they're fairly well known without accessing any deeper research military then wikipedia, even for that era. The divisions themselves are/will be in the Locations and Equipment part; regular, National Guard, Reserve, and AUS.
Impressive work!
Thanks Shrike!
Here's the 49th ID added, thanks to (non-flying) Hell-fish's assistance!
mcchordsage
02-02-2018, 09:02 PM
Updates: Some units added to the non-divisional reserve list (Including a JAG War Crimes Investigations unit); biggest addition is a lot of towns added for Reserve units. Not finished combing through the papers yet but the Signal Corps, Transportation, Chemical Warfare, Artillery, and Engineer units all have their home towns if available to me. Adjutant General units are about 1/2 finished but I'm running out of energy going through broken OCR'd newspaper pages.
mcchordsage
02-20-2018, 12:23 AM
Updates: Revisions to the 46th Infantry Division's artillery and units per investigation into whether or not 1/225th Infantry was an Airborne unit or not. Results inconclusive but currently marked as such.
Tried to include a very interesting report from, if I remember right, CIA archives of NATO readiness status in Europe in 1961. It wouldn't attach but if anyone's interested PM me for it.
mcchordsage
03-23-2018, 08:37 PM
Good news soon, if anyone's still following this, I've got a whole bundle of TO&E stuff from the early 1960s on the way from the Center for Military History at Fort McNair. Expect updates soon!
Silent Hunter UK
03-24-2018, 04:24 PM
You should put this together and sell it on DriveThruRPG.
mcchordsage
03-26-2018, 11:18 PM
I've thought about it with the revival in interest in T2K products, but there's not really enough here to sell, not to mention the thorny rights issues for some of the illustrations.
mcchordsage
03-29-2018, 06:53 PM
Very early draft of converting the TO&E document for the Tactical Carrier company over to a more easily accessible format.
Silent Hunter UK
04-02-2018, 06:20 AM
I've thought about it with the revival in interest in T2K products, but there's not really enough here to sell, not to mention the thorny rights issues for some of the illustrations.
Perhaps as part of a larger compilation?
mcchordsage
04-03-2018, 04:38 PM
Perhaps as part of a larger compilation?
Sure, I could at least stick the ORBAT stuff as an article in a compilation or zine with images I can get approval for.
mcchordsage
04-05-2018, 09:21 PM
I've actually finished something. Attached is the complete TO&E for the separate Transportation Company (Tactical Carrier) with as many notes from the original document as were relevant.
Also attached is the latest version of the Unit Histories and Locations. New for this first (posted) numbered revision: California National Guard Reserve (short article, OOB, and added to the Histories/Locations), short article on the M103A1E2 (a wartime improvement to the M103 heavy tank), short article on British wartime tanks.
mcchordsage
04-09-2018, 10:13 PM
Some moderate overhauls: Found a copy of the California Adjutant General's report online, giving a breakdown of the 40th AD's organization by Combat Command. Also added a bunch more non-divisional units from California, Maryland, Mississippi, and Alabama. Also some more information on Reserve Special Forces unit locations. Combed through the Army Reservist again to find a few more areas that contributed detachments to the early 60s USAR Special Forces Groups.
And there's a new cover image.
mcchordsage
04-21-2018, 01:35 AM
New appendices: Tactical and Intermediate range nuclear weapons in the ETO, 7th Army non-divisional nuclear artillery, new numbering.
mcchordsage
06-05-2018, 02:10 PM
Update to the unit locations and histories. Added 67th Infantry Brigade, 69th Infantry Brigade, and 231st Armor Group (plus first hints of the US situation in Yugoslavia) histories.
Changed 163rd ACR and 6th ACR histories plus locations. Altered the order of battle for CONUS forces in the Southern Theatre.
Additional consistency changes ongoing. Missed a few '=' bars to indicate wartime raised units and didn't italicize some destroyed units in the unit history section.
mcchordsage
07-12-2018, 07:21 PM
New update: More military police, military intelligence, and Army Security Agency units. Also attached are strength levels for Army nurses in Evacuation hospitals and MASH units, as well as distribution of shotguns to NIKE missile batteries.
mcchordsage
07-12-2018, 10:46 PM
Very early draft of the Air National Guard order of battle. It includes assigned aircraft and home stations, along with the tactical reorganization proposed for adoption in 1962.
mcchordsage
07-23-2018, 07:57 PM
Slowly but surely tackling everything I intend to. This may be the last major update. That's been said before, I know, but for the first time there's no real big gaping hole of research I feel hasn't been covered so barring any glaring errors I've missed thus far this will be the final version of the OOB. The Air National Guard OOB has some more work and supplementary pieces to go in it, however that's a much less demanding piece of work overall.
I still have no intention of covering the Regular Army Divisions' makeup. You can find those OOBs on Wikipedia in a lot of cases that are as accurate as what I do, mostly, so I don't feel the need to reprint that. This whole business has a sisyphean feeling anyway.
New is an appendix covering non-divisional Regular Army units, their locations, assignments if known to non-divisional HQ units, and some clean-up to other parts (No one commented on Fort Carson, CA? I'm shocked). Included is a neat potential starting point for a squad, the uniquely organized 2nd Battle Group, 31st Infantry stationed at the Aviation School in Fort Rucker.
mcchordsage
07-25-2018, 10:51 PM
As soon as I can get my account back (email address change missed this one apparently), I plan on seeing about putting this out as either community content or a system-less item on DriveThruRPG.
I've already got a draft version that strips out the images without attribution or that would cause potential rights issues, added a few more, revised text and informational errors, done some more proofing, to improve the quality for sale.
Problem is, I've got no idea if there's any interest in anyone purchasing this, or the future Air National Guard supplement, so if it's 'too much work' to get it on DriveThru then it probably won't happen. In that case the super-final "Export Edition" will end up here for free.
mcchordsage
08-01-2018, 08:41 PM
Rather than bother with doing my tax info for a product that's not going to sell, here's the furthest development of the project, including some new Special Forces, Transportation, Engineer, and Artillery units. Also has the most thorough editing I can give and a complete renumbering.
hell-fish
10-01-2018, 04:10 PM
Hey. You kinda inspired me last winter while I was in between jobs and needed a creative outlet. I started working on a Twilight 1964 guidebook and US Army guide based in part on your research and the old Twilight 1964 topic (http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=1356).
I'm posting them here because I haven't found time to do more than tinker with them lately, and because I'm pretty sure I'm lost in my own head with 'em. If you're curious, take a gander.
I mostly just updated old Twilight 1964 guide (tried to bring more authenticity to the military parts and I've reviewed/renewed about half of the U.S. states so far - some of the descriptions were a little too ridiculous, and some of the landmarks mentioned didn't exist in 1964). Google docs link here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dXRXO2JRX8lNGTbtmwaymiCUSFyzK0X6/view?usp=sharing).
The Twilight 1964 American Military Handbook (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WQ09Op5kqGdDbSzwR9upCJhw-gynZg26/view?usp=sharing) was just a means for me to nerd out on vehicles (and, eventually, weapons). I never played TW2K when I was a kid, but I absolutely loved the US, Soviet and NATO vehicle guides and tried to replicate that feel here, and to make it look like period U.S. Army Standard Military Vehicle Characteristics Data Sheets (I have the 1963 version for inspiration).
Both come with color plates, and both are incomplete. Just waiting for a second wind, I suppose.
Hope you like, and I'm happy to hear any critiques if you've got the time and inclination.
http://i68.tinypic.com/27y1glg.jpg
Had a quick look at the files before I left for work and I was really impressed.
At the weekend I'll have a more in depth look but first impressions it looked very useful.
Will you be creating a NATO or Soviet Vehicle Handbook as I wouldn't mind the details of some British vehicles.
mcchordsage
10-04-2018, 12:06 AM
Hey. You kinda inspired me last winter while I was in between jobs and needed a creative outlet. I started working on a Twilight 1964 guidebook and US Army guide based in part on your research and the old Twilight 1964 topic (http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=1356).
I'm posting them here because I haven't found time to do more than tinker with them lately, and because I'm pretty sure I'm lost in my own head with 'em. If you're curious, take a gander.
I mostly just updated old Twilight 1964 guide (tried to bring more authenticity to the military parts and I've reviewed/renewed about half of the U.S. states so far - some of the descriptions were a little too ridiculous, and some of the landmarks mentioned didn't exist in 1964). Google docs link here (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dXRXO2JRX8lNGTbtmwaymiCUSFyzK0X6/view?usp=sharing).
The Twilight 1964 American Military Handbook (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WQ09Op5kqGdDbSzwR9upCJhw-gynZg26/view?usp=sharing) was just a means for me to nerd out on vehicles (and, eventually, weapons). I never played TW2K when I was a kid, but I absolutely loved the US, Soviet and NATO vehicle guides and tried to replicate that feel here, and to make it look like period U.S. Army Standard Military Vehicle Characteristics Data Sheets (I have the 1963 version for inspiration).
Both come with color plates, and both are incomplete. Just waiting for a second wind, I suppose.
Hope you like, and I'm happy to hear any critiques if you've got the time and inclination.
http://i68.tinypic.com/27y1glg.jpg
Nice! I like it! My own, very unfinished, location and unit guide is attached here (as an outgrowth of what I'd done above, plus a few notes on British and American heavy tank variants/expedients). I'd be happy to discuss anything, but you've made a much more finished set of books already!
Suggestion for the book is to include the M59 APC, as you mention it already. It was in wide usage by the early 60s with, as you note, the M75s mostly lingering in some of the National Guard tac carrier and armored cav units. The M8 was also used by M52 and M44 armored field artillery units as ammo carriers. (M52's hands-down my favorite vehicle of the era.)
hell-fish
10-04-2018, 12:42 PM
Had a quick look at the files before I left for work and I was really impressed.
At the weekend I'll have a more in depth look but first impressions it looked very useful.
Will you be creating a NATO or Soviet Vehicle Handbook as I wouldn't mind the details of some British vehicles.
I'd like to eventually do a Soviet Vehicle Handbook for sure, but I think a NATO (or rest of world?) guide might be best left to someone with more insight. I can probably fake my way through the NATO units in 1962-1964, but I doubt it would hold up to any scrutiny.
I'd like to flesh out the war in Europe a bit more, but again, I'd be pretty out of my depth in the details. I can nuke anything, but I'm sure there's someone better suited to telling you about what's been vaporized. I can certainly help as needed, of course.
Now that I think about it, I'd love to figure out what happened to Algeria.
Nice! I like it! My own, very unfinished, location and unit guide is attached here (as an outgrowth of what I'd done above, plus a few notes on British and American heavy tank variants/expedients). I'd be happy to discuss anything, but you've made a much more finished set of books already!
Suggestion for the book is to include the M59 APC, as you mention it already. It was in wide usage by the early 60s with, as you note, the M75s mostly lingering in some of the National Guard tac carrier and armored cav units. The M8 was also used by M52 and M44 armored field artillery units as ammo carriers. (M52's hands-down my favorite vehicle of the era.)
I'm amused we both killed off the Cuban expeditionary forces.
I'm in no way beholden to my own unit locations. I was trying to aim for flavor and diversity for the vehicle plates as much as pragmatism and TW2k canon. I built the story of the war around what the original author had and in places I thought I could add some flavor - the New Americans were patterned after a redneck version of ISIS, for example, after I added KKK markings to an M44 howitzer and wanted a backstory for it.
And the M59 APC is definitely on the list of things to do. I intend to be pretty comprehensive with the armored vehicles, though softskins will probably get bunched together in individual examples (I doubt all the various 2.5-ton trucks are so dissimilar in game terms). I didn't know the M8 was also used in SP units - I only saw it referenced with the Skysweepers and as prime movers for the heavy field pieces. The M8 is actually my favorite vehicle of the period, though I can't explain why.
mcchordsage
10-04-2018, 06:17 PM
I'd like to eventually do a Soviet Vehicle Handbook for sure, but I think a NATO (or rest of world?) guide might be best left to someone with more insight. I can probably fake my way through the NATO units in 1962-1964, but I doubt it would hold up to any scrutiny.
I'd like to flesh out the war in Europe a bit more, but again, I'd be pretty out of my depth in the details. I can nuke anything, but I'm sure there's someone better suited to telling you about what's been vaporized. I can certainly help as needed, of course.
Now that I think about it, I'd love to figure out what happened to Algeria.
I'm amused we both killed off the Cuban expeditionary forces.
I'm in no way beholden to my own unit locations. I was trying to aim for flavor and diversity for the vehicle plates as much as pragmatism and TW2k canon. I built the story of the war around what the original author had and in places I thought I could add some flavor - the New Americans were patterned after a redneck version of ISIS, for example, after I added KKK markings to an M44 howitzer and wanted a backstory for it.
And the M59 APC is definitely on the list of things to do. I intend to be pretty comprehensive with the armored vehicles, though softskins will probably get bunched together in individual examples (I doubt all the various 2.5-ton trucks are so dissimilar in game terms). I didn't know the M8 was also used in SP units - I only saw it referenced with the Skysweepers and as prime movers for the heavy field pieces. The M8 is actually my favorite vehicle of the period, though I can't explain why.
Yeah, the Cuban force is gone in my timeline as well and the Gulf Coast units are pretty badly fractured. There's a lot of scattered notes about the US situation I've never really developed into prose (The US Army in Yugoslavia, the domestic situation, etc.) and may well never get around to.
I've got no arguments with how you did it! Very good work.
Yeah, the panoply of 2 1/2 and 5 ton truck variants is better left to the GM if they really want to drag them all in. In my (needlessly extensive) research into the M52 units, they were apparently supposed to be one per section to serve the ammo needs of the firing units for resupply although I doubt the distribution ever got that high.
hell-fish
10-11-2018, 12:10 PM
I'm interested in generally anything Cold War (especially if it is appropriate to the Berlin/Cuban Missile Crisis time frame). Any recommendations on M52 FMs or TMs?
Also, have you ever come across any Marine Corps Fleet Marine Force manuals from the 50s or 60s? I've been told that, for example, a Marine Corps tank battalion in the 60s had two M48 companies and an M103 company, along with a 9-tank flame platoon. I have no sources to verify this, nor do I know if there's a difference between a divisional tank battalion and a "force" tank battalion. I'd also love to know how the Marines trained with the M103. I've never seen an official publication - Marine Corps or Army - on the operations and tactics of that tank.
As an update to the American Military Handbook for TW64, I've overhauled the vehicle graphics entirely. I decided that because the line drawings are so wildly inconsistent in quality, that photographs of plastic models lightly edited and turned into black and white provide a more consistent and appealing look (plus, this is designed to be a miniatures game anyways, right?) All line drawings are now out with very few exceptions, and I started working on aircraft entries.
For example, here's the F-100D/F:
http://i66.tinypic.com/bi48kl.jpg
And the M60:
http://i66.tinypic.com/alitnc.png
These might be useful
https://archive.org/details/FM17-15_201212/page/n0
https://archive.org/details/FM7-151965/page/n0
https://archive.org/details/military-manuals&tab=collection
https://ospreypublishing.com/m103-heavy-tank-1950-74
Might be a good place to start for some details
mcchordsage
10-11-2018, 05:09 PM
You want the 1959-1962 manual series designed for the ROCID/ROTAD organizations. The squad/platoon/company/battle groups have different TO&Es than the post-'63 ROAD units.
This is a Google Drive folder with FMs and some issues of Infantry magazine from the period. (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hbRV7LZSuhOHEntuKkkYPcqBRwRBZNdP)
This includes:
-Ordnance Corps stock and data on all items they handle circa 1961
-Australian Pentropic organization
-Infantry, Artillery, and support unit FMs for divisions/non-divisional units. See this thread for my already posted material on the forgotten fact the Army decided APCs belonged to the Transportation Corps not the Infantry in this time period.
-5th MEB's table of organization for the projected Cuban invasion.
As for the USMC, while my work has focused mostly on USMCR units I do have a magazine from the Marine Corps University talking about the USMC's ready afloat forces in the Med through the 60s and 70s.
Short answer to that question is that there was a divisional tank battalion assigned permanently to each USMC division, each had a permanently assigned assigned heavy tank company with M103s. The Marines used them like big medium tanks, IIRC. The Force battalion was formed irregularly. It was a temporary formation to be employed with the FMF units afloat, which were ad-hoc units in this time period.
The Army, on the other hand, had separate doctrine for their (one) heavy tank battalion(s), to be used to assault formations or fight Soviet heavy tanks. One of the suppositions in my is a program to field convert M103A1s to the diesel M60 engines when available.
USMC also had Ontos (lightly armored, tracked fighting vehicles with six 106mm recoilless rifles strapped to the outside) equipped Anti-Tank battalions, one per-division.
For those with a British interest, there's the FV4202 and Centurion Action X concepts, revived when time ran out on what would have become the Chieftan.
While the British Army was unable to complete development to deploy their next generation “Main Battle Tank” because of wartime pressures, they were able to execute a substantial rebuilding program for their existing Centurions and new production of a much less audacious “new” tank.
The “Action X” was formally the Centurion Mk. 7/3, a designation that hid the radically redesigned turret applied to these hulls. Armed with the 105 mm L7 gun in a mantletless turret originally intended to be used for researching the new un-named main battle tank, it was instead rushed into production as an incremental improvement for existing stocks of Centurions to improve their lethality and survivability. While originally trialed with the old 20-pounder, production turrets carried the new 105mm gun.
In contrast, the FV4202, known as the “Cohort” or “Super Centurion” was a new design that drew from the older Centurion design, departing widely in an attempt to draw the lines for an improved tank to fight the IS-3. It was half a meter lower in height, with better sloping to its armor, and an even more modern version of the mantletless turret design.
Unfortunately, both of these designs inherited the problems of the older Centurions. They were two thinly armored to face most current Soviet armor, the suspension could be difficult to repair in the field, and even with improved sloping. However, its 105mm L7 gun was an excellent weapon for the time period and would give a good showing in the Twilight War.
There's also my crack at the BAOR's nuclear equipped artillery forces.
24th Missile Regiment, Royal Artillery: Barker Barracks, Paderborn
2 Heavy Battery (8” howitzer)
34 (Seringapatam) Heavy Battery (8” howitzer)
51 Missile Battery (Honest John)
76 Missile Battery (Honest John)
27th Guided Weapons (Corporal) Regiment, Royal Artillery: Napier Barracks, Dortmund
6 (Arcot) Battery
23 (Gibraltar) Battery
39th Missile Regiment, Royal Artillery: Dempsey Barracks, Sennelager
19 (Gibraltar) Missile Battery (Honest John)
36 Missile Battery (Honest John)
75 Heavy Battery (8” M115 howitzer)
169 Heavy Battery (8” M115 howitzer)
47th Guided Weapons (Corporal) Regiment, Royal Artillery: Napier Barracks, Dortmund
3 (Corunna) Battery
4 (Sphinx) Battery
50th Regiment, Royal Artillery: Northumberland Barracks, Menden
15 Missile Battery (Honest John)
21 (Gibraltar 1779-83) Missile Battery (Honest John)
33 Heavy Battery (8” howitzer)
78 Heavy Battery (8” howitzer)
hell-fish
10-12-2018, 12:09 PM
These are fantastic, thanks guys.
mcchordsage
10-12-2018, 09:21 PM
No problem! The FMs are an interesting look at how the Pentomic organization was supposed to work. I recommend the TRADOC/other source studies on why it didn't stick around as well, for an idea how things may have worked out when Pentomic units actually went into battle.
Speaking of, I happened to get this at Goodwill the other day.
As an update to the American Military Handbook for TW64, I've overhauled the vehicle graphics entirely.
Is there a link to the updated file. Also keep up the good work it's very impressive.
hell-fish
10-14-2018, 06:35 AM
Is there a link to the updated file. Also keep up the good work it's very impressive.
I haven't updated the file itself yet. Once I've made some more progress I definitely will. I just added the self-propelled howitzers and most of the trucks I want to include.
hell-fish
10-14-2018, 06:56 AM
No problem! The FMs are an interesting look at how the Pentomic organization was supposed to work. I recommend the TRADOC/other source studies on why it didn't stick around as well, for an idea how things may have worked out when Pentomic units actually went into battle.
Speaking of, I happened to get this at Goodwill the other day.
Heh, I own that in paperback and pdf form.
mcchordsage
10-14-2018, 06:35 PM
I've got my own paper copy now.
Nowhere Man 1966
02-09-2019, 05:43 PM
Haven't been here in a while, life has gotten in the way but I'm, very impressed with your work on Twilight 1962/64 here. I am for some reason a junkie on the Cuban Missile Crisis as well as JFK's assassination, but I think for the former, it is a personal tie in with me.
My father served in the Signal Corps fro 1955 to 1957 when he went into the Army at 17. He first went to Korea, did some time in Japan and later, White Sand's New Mexico. I even showed him a quonset hut housing radio gear near Camp Casey on Google Earth where is was caption that is was built in 1955, my father said, "I built that." ;) He flew back on one of the first C-130's. In 1962, my mother was worried that my father would have been called up, back then you did you 2 year hitch and then were on 5 years inactive reserve. 1962 was his last year but when he got his final discharge during the Crisis, Mom was relieved.
My mother also served with the USO at the Air Force Reserve and Penna Air National Guard base where at the time she was there, they were flying P-51's although the F-84's were coming in soon.
Where I lived, down the street from me lived the man who later ran the repair shop for the 112th Fighter group. He had oodles of storied to tell, serving from the days of the P-51's to 1993 when the A-7's where taken out of service. I liked one story where during the Cuban Missile Crisis, there was an unidentified blimp on the radar over Canada and they had to scramble the F-102's to intercept out of Pittsburgh. It was found out it was a 4 piston engine plane where after some hand signal waving, it was determined the radio was out. The fighter pilots told the plane to follow them to the nearest CFB base to land for questioning. The plane lost it's electrical system affecting the radio. This could have kicked off WWIII. During that time, they kept the planes on the tarmac ready to go, the electronics were kept on from ground power and the pilots stood by in 8 hour shifts. When one pilot left and the other one took over, he would fire up the jet for 5 or 10 minutes, check things out and then shut the engine down, replace the fuel used and go into the rec area to watch TV and wait.
Again, good work, I love alternate history.
hell-fish
02-24-2019, 03:17 PM
I'm still tinkering with this project as I find the time. I'm not done with the US Military guide yet, but I jumped the gun and started working on a Soviet and Warsaw Pact guide.
http://i65.tinypic.com/20szp0l.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/zmb05z.jpg
And some more American stuff:
http://i65.tinypic.com/357khnq.jpg
http://i64.tinypic.com/21m9lwm.jpg
lordroel
02-25-2019, 01:37 PM
Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
hell-fish
02-26-2019, 01:31 PM
Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
I didn't actually make those... I am using them (currently without permission - the plan is to ask for permission once I've completed enough to show off) from http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/
Here's a British Comet from 1960 (http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/A34_Comet-Berlin60.png) in the Berlin Brigade.
And a Chieftain (http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/UK/Chieftain/chieftain_mkIII_urban_camo.png).
Love the drawings of the tanks hell-fish , any pictures of 1962 Berlin brigade tanks (French,British and Americans).
British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
And a Chieftain (http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/UK/Chieftain/chieftain_mkIII_urban_camo.png).
The Chieftain is from the early 80s
I'm still tinkering with this project as I find the time. I'm not done with the US Military guide yet, but I jumped the gun and started working on a Soviet and Warsaw Pact guide.
They look excellent, keep up the good work 😊
lordroel
02-27-2019, 10:15 AM
British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
French tanks looks tiny compared to the British and French, did they not have anything heavier in West Berlin.
hell-fish
02-27-2019, 01:10 PM
The Chieftain is from the early 80s
Yeah. Still pretty.
hell-fish
02-27-2019, 01:12 PM
French tanks looks tiny compared to the British and French, did they not have anything heavier in West Berlin.
AMX-30 didn't come out till '65. Before then I think they only had M47s and a few oddballs with AMX-50s hanging around. They were busy with Algeria and Africa for a lot of this time period, and didn't have a lot of money.
lordroel
02-27-2019, 01:31 PM
AMX-30 didn't come out till '65. Before then I think they only had M47s and a few oddballs with AMX-50s hanging around. They were busy with Algeria and Africa for a lot of this time period, and didn't have a lot of money.
Do we know where this photo was taken, was it inside West Berlin.
Do we know where this photo was taken, was it inside West Berlin.
According to The Tank Museum caption it was.
mcchordsage
02-28-2019, 11:03 PM
I'm also still working on my end of things! Just looking at more units earlier today from the South Carolina, PA, Louisiana, and Texas NGs.
While the Chieftan didn't enter service until '66 (Challenger I's early 80s) the British Army was tinkering around with turret redesigns for the Centurion that in my version of the timeline saw wartime production. Mentioned them a couple posts back
The "Action X" was just a new turret on a Centurion Mk. 7 while the FV4202 (I called it the Super Centurion or Cohort, inventive) was a conservative evolution of the Centurion design that was later dropped in favor of the design that became the Chieftan circa 1959. Instead, it ends up being produced instead of more Centurions in my T64 timeline.
https://i.imgur.com/XJMVR8F.jpg
Action X turret in testing.
https://i.imgur.com/EQZ0tKq.jpg
FV4202 prototype
I'm glad everyone's still interested! My computer was hors de combat for most of December and January so I'm just getting around to catching up on things. (Also had to write about ten thousand words for a magazine article)
mcchordsage
02-28-2019, 11:16 PM
British Centurion, American M48 and French AMX13 in Berlin October 1962.
French Army in West Germany during the border crisis was the 1st Division, 3rd Division, and 13th Mechanized Brigade. The French government had also moved the 7th Light Armored Division and 11th Light Infantry Division to Europe and made them available to SAUCER as reserve units.
Front line units in Germany were pretty badly under strength on armor. According to a US Army report they had 43 AMX-SS-11s (http://www.chars-francais.net/2015/index.php/engins-blindes/chars?task=view&id=1252) (AMX-13 with a rack of four SS-11 AT missiles officially called the AMX-13 T75 (Char Lance SS-11)), 50% of their TO&E, and only 45% of their table APCs (AMX-VTT and -VCI) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMX-VCI). The 1st Division was heavy armor and had some of the early AMX-30s plus M47s, plus plenty of AMX-13s to go around.
mcchordsage
03-08-2019, 05:57 PM
Moved over to Navy materials. If anyone's interested in diesel subs in WWIII, got some good info on the GUPPY and Fleet Snorkel programs, seaplane refueling sub projects, and Naval Reserve Training Subs.
Matt Wiser
03-09-2019, 11:29 PM
Would love to see the Navy in this one...especially if the two nuclear-powered surface ships are still going: namely USS Enterprise (CVAN-65) and USS Long Beach (CGN-9) Enterprise's air wing would have flown strikes into Cuba in support of the invasion, for starters.
mcchordsage
04-09-2019, 11:35 PM
At least in my timeline, the naval and ground troops of the Cuban invasion force were pretty much whipped out as an effective fighting force. Survivors have straggled back to south Florida but the Enterprise is an unsailable wreck. The Navy enclave at Key West has been using her reactor to power their facility. Independence is damaged but repairable, there's just no facilities to do it. Essex was sunk. Long Beach and Bainbridge are still around. Long Beach spent most of the war in the North Atlantic but is in Norfolk now. Bainbridge transited to the Pacific. They both serve as couriers/HQs for US Naval forces.
Other notes:
Indonesia had begun taking delivery of 12 Whiskey-class submarines in 1962, as well as two Russian sub tenders. Some sources state 1967, but most state that the sub tenders were turned over in the summer of 1962 with the submarines beginning delivery in January. One tender was a slightly older Project 233K (http://russianships.info/eng/support/project_233.htm) and the other a newer (with some [url=https://web.archive.org/web/20091028124552/http://geocities.com/kp_diver/Index113AuxiliariesUSSR.html]more actual pictures of the latter in service (]Don-class[/url)). Contemporary photos (possibly) show as many as eight subs may have been delivered by year end 1962.
The US Navy had assigned various diesel submarines, mostly unmodified Gato and Balao-class boats, to naval installations across the country as training facilities for the Naval Reserve. By the end of the decade most were permanently rendered unable to dive, in 1962 they were almost all ready for conversion to operational boats. Batteries were sometimes removed, or they were locked out of being able to dive. Here's a list I've compiled of stations and subs in 1962:
USS Batfish (AGSS-310), Naval Station Algiers, unmodified Balao-class
USS Billfish (SS-286), South Boston Annex, unmodified Balao-class
USS Bowfin (SS-287), Seattle, WA, unmodified Balao-class
USS Cabrilla (SS-288), Houston, TX, unmodified Balao-class
USS Cabezon (SS-334), Tacoma Reserve Center on Hylebos Waterway, unmodified Balao-class
USS Cero (SS-225), Detroit Naval Armory, unmodified Gato-class
USS Cobia (SS-245), Milwaukee Naval Reserve Center, unmodified Gato-class
USS Cod (SS-224), Cleveland, OH, unmodified Gato-class
USS Dentuda (SS-385), Hunters Point Naval Shipyard, unmodified Balao-class
USS Drum (SS-228), Washington Navy Yard, unmodified Gato-class
USS Guavina (AOSS-362), Fort McHenry, MD, Gato-class modified as a seaplane fuel tanker (http://navsource.org/archives/08/265/0836205.jpg)
USS Hake (SS-256) Philadelphia Navy Yard, unmodified Gato-class
USS Lionfish (SS-298), Marine Corps Reserve Pier, Providence, RI, unmodified Balao-class
USS Loggerhead (SS-374), Portland, OR, unmodified Balao-class
USS Manta (AGSS-299), Submarine Base New London, unmodified Balao-class
USS Parche (SS-384), Alameda, unmodified Balao-class
USS Roncodor (SS-301), Long Beach Naval Station, unmodified Balao-class
USS Sea Dog (SS-401), Derby Wharf, Salem, MA, unmodified Balao-class
USS Sealion (APSS-315) (http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0831502.jpg), Portsmouth Navy Yard, Balao-class modified into UDT/Marine transport
USS Silversides (SS-236), Chicago Naval Armory, unmodified Salmon-class
USS Trepang (AGSS-412), Mare Island Navy Yard, unmodified Balao-class
Some of the units assigned to Reserve Submarines:
Reserve Submarine Division 3-23, Brooklyn Navy Yard
Reserve Submarine Division 3-55, Brooklyn Navy Yard
Reserve Submarine Division 4-37, Philadelphia Naval Shipyard
Reserve Submarine Division 4-92, Cleveland, OH
Reserve Submarine Division 5-7, Fort McHenry, MD
Reserve Submarine Division 8-94, Dickson Gun Plant, Houston, TX
Reserve Submarine Division 8-95, Dickson Gun Plant, Houston, TX
Reserve Submarine Division 9-227, Milwaukee Naval Reserve Center
Reserve Submarine Division 12-9, Alameda Reserve Training Center
mcchordsage
05-27-2019, 12:47 AM
Following up on the, ehem, Navy boat, here's the 1960 Landing Party Manual, the last publication from the US Navy on sailors operating as ground forces, their organization, and equipment. There was apparently a 1962 revision, but as most things, if it isn't very early in the year/I can't find it, 1960-1961 material suffices.
https://archive.org/details/OPNAVP3403LandingPartyManual1960Red
mcchordsage
05-28-2019, 09:01 PM
To go with the Corps area map, the US Navy districts in 1962.
https://i.imgur.com/qfWDJIv.jpg
And current ratings in 1962.
https://i.imgur.com/1VXXZvT.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e7VPr4J.jpg
mcchordsage
05-28-2019, 11:51 PM
USNR Units from 1961-1962, Aviation and called-up Selected Reserve ships
HS-741: NAS Jacksonville
HS-742: NAS Jacksonville
HS-743: NAS Jacksonville
HS-871: NAS Oakland HSS-1
HS-872: NAAS Ream Field HSS-1
HS-912: NAS South Weymouth
HU-731: NAS Grosse Ile HUP
HU-733: NAS Grosse Ile
HU-751: NAS Lakehurst HUP
HU-812: NAS Minneapolis HUP
VA-672: NAS Atlanta
VA-891: NAS Seattle
VF-725: NAS Glenview
VF-727: NAS Glenview
VF-791: NARTU Memphis
VF-873: NAS Alameda A4D
VP-672: NAS Atlanta
VP-741: NAS Jacksonville
VP-791: NARTU Memphis
VP-872: NAS Alameda
VP-873: NAS Oakland
VP-875: NAS Oakland P2V5F
VP-876: NAS Oakland P2V
VP-881: NAS Olathe
VP-911: NAS South Weymouth
VP-913: NAS South Weymouth
VR-742: NAS Jacksonville
VR-872: NAS Alameda
VR-873
VS-741: NAS Jacksonville
VS-753: NAS Lakehurst
VS-873: NAS Alameda
VS-875: NAS Alameda S2F
VS-892: NAS Seattle S2F
Air Wing Staff 70: NAS Dallas
Air Wing Staff 72: NAS Glenview
DERs transferred to Selected Reserve September 1961
USS Haverfield (DER-393): Seattle, WA
USS Koiner (DER-331): San Francisco, CA
USS Wilhoite (DER-397): San Francisco, CA
USS Lansing (DER-388): Long Beach, CA
USS Forster (DER-334): Long Beach, CA
Haverfield, Lansing, and Forster will enter Group Two of the Reserve traing program; they will be manned by "nucleus crews" of Regular Navy men in addition to the local Reservists. These ships will be available to the Fleet with a minimum of delay. Wilhoite and Koiner will be placed in Group One, and will have larger crews of Regular Navy personnel; they will be ready for immediate recall.
Selected Reserve Units Called to Duty in October 1961
USS Miller (DD-535)
USS Parle (DE-708)*
USS Tills (DE-748)
USS Hood (DD-655)*
USS Remey (DD-688)* **
USS DeLong (DE-684)
USS Thaddeus Parker (DE-369)
USS Albert T. Harris (DE-447)
USS Coates (DE-685)
USS McNair (DD-679)
USS Kidd (DD-661)
USS J. Douglas Blackwood (DE-219)
USS Snowden (DE-246)
USS Bearss (DD-654)*
USS Roberts (DE-749)
USS Loeser (DE-680)
USS Robert F. Keller (DE-419)
USS Darby (DE-218)
USS Hunt (DD-674)*
USS Robinson (DD-562)
USS Greenwood (DE-679)**
USS Tweedy (DE-532)
USS Wren (DD-568)*
USS Huse (DE-145)*
USS Crow (DE-252)
USS Woodson (DE-359)
USS Daniel A. Joy (DE-585)
USS Tingey (DD-539)
USS Colahan (DD-658)
USS Marsh (DE-699)
USS Vammen (DE-644)
USS Wiseman (DE-667)
USS Laws (DD-558)
USS Walton (DE-361)
USS Edmonds (DE-406)
USS Alvin C. Cockrell (DE-366)
USS Watts (DD-567)
USS Whitehurst (DE-634)
USS Charles E. Brannon (DE-446)**
USS McGinty (DE-365)
USS Plover MSC(O)-33
VP-661 (P2V Neptune)
VP-741 (P2V Neptune)
VP-832 (P2V Neptune)
VP-872 (P2V Neptune)
VP-933 (P2V Neptune)
VS-721 (S2F Tracker)
VS-733 (S2F Tracker)
VS-751 (S2F Tracker)
VS-771 (S2F Tracker)
VS-772 (S2F Tracker)
VS-821 (S2F Tracker)
VS-837 (S2F Tracker)
VS-861 (S2F Tracker): NAS Norfolk
VS-872 (S2F Tracker)
VS-873 (S2F Tracker)
VS-891 (S2F Tracker)
VS-915 (S2F Tracker)
VS-935 (S2F Tracker)
*=Scheduled for repairs and overhaul, targeted to be ready by November 1st
**=Battle 'E' for 1961
Titles of USNR Shore Units 1961-1962
BuShips Company
Supply Company
Hospital Corps Division
Naval Weapons Training Unit
Surface Division (Large)
Surface Division (Medium)
Construction Battalion/SeaBee Division
Electronics Division
Naval Security Group Division
Submarine Division
Intelligence Division
Reserve Research Company
Public Relations Company
Ship Activation, Maintenance, and Repair Division
Harbor Defense Division
Units were numbered with District Number - Serial number of unit in that district, for example: Harbor Defense Division 5-1 was located in Norfolk, VA.
mcchordsage
02-04-2020, 11:01 PM
Some more Naval Reserve aviation unit info. Why am I still working on this two years and four months after starting? No idea at all really, other than sometimes material comes up that feels like it should be here.
Corrections to Duty Stations and Aircraft Type, US Navy Reserve Squadrons called to Active Duty 1961-1962
From Appendix 14, Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons Volume 2
Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61
VP-661: Howard Air Force Base, Panama (P2V-5F)
VP-721: NAS Quonset Point (P2V-6)
VP-791: NAS Norfolk (P2V-5FS)
VP-811: NAS Brunswick (P2V-4)
VP-831: NAS Patuxent River (P2V-5F/P2V-5FS)
VP-832: NAS New York (P2V-5F)
VP-872: NAS Barber's Point
VP-883: NAS Chincoteague (P2V-6)
VP-911: NAS South Weymouth (P2V-5F/P2V-6)
VP-933: NAS Willow Grove (P2V-5F)
VA-672: AD-5 Skyraider
VA-891: AD Skyraider
USNR Units Equipped with tactical nuclear Low Altitude Bombing System (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toss_bombing#Over-the-shoulder) aircraft
Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61
NAS Glenview
VMA-543: F9F-8B
VMA-611: F9F-8B**
NAS Los Alamitos
VMF-134: F9F-8B
NAS New Orleans
VA-821: F9F-8B
VA-822: F9F-8B
VMA-143: F9F-8B**
NAS New York
VA-831: FJ-4B
NAS Olathe
VA-881: F9F-8B
VA-882: F9F-8B**
USNR/USMCR Fighter Squadrons and AD-5 Skyraider Attack Squadrons
Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61
NAS Dallas
VF-701: FJ-3M*
VF-702: FJ-4*
VMF-111: FJ-3*
VMF-413: F11F-1**
NAS Glenview
VF-725: F9F-8
NAS Grosse Ile
VA-731: AD-5/AD-5N
NAS Minneapolis
VMA-213: AD-5
NAS Memphis
VF-791: FJ-4
VF-792: FJ-4**
VMF-124: FJ-4
VMF-221: FJ-4**
NAS New York
VMF-313: FJ-3M/FJ-3
VMF-131: FJ-4**
NAS Oakland
VF-873: F2H-3/4
VF-876: F2H-3/4
VF-879: F11F-1**
NAS Olathe
VMF-113: F11F-1**
VMF-215: F9F-8
NAS South Weymouth
VMA-322: FJ-3
NAS Willow Grove
VF-931: FJ-3
Training Squadrons with Fighter Aircraft for Transition Training
Naval Aeronautical Organization Notice 1/1/61
NAAS Chase Field, TX
VT-24: 21 F9F-8B
VT-25: 21 F9F-8B
VT-26: 32 F11F
NAS Glynco, GA
CIC School: 40 FJ-4
NAAS Kingsville, GA
VT-21: 22 F9F-8B
VT-22: 21 F9F-8B
VT-23: 36 F11F
*=Not specifically listed, conjecture
**=Drawn from available aircraft in Naval Air Training Command
Legbreaker
02-04-2020, 11:41 PM
Why am I still working on this two years and four months after starting?
I feel your pain. Once you go down the rabbit hole of research...
mcchordsage
02-06-2020, 07:52 PM
USMCR stuff I mentioned a while back. Interestingly enough, the Navy Department was in the midst of reorganizing the scattered USMCR units, most of them battalions and companies, into the 4th Division in 1961/1962. So while the units had been reorganized, they didn't receive a higher division HQ until 1966. Wartime exigencies have changed things a bit for Twilight 1964.
The surplus of units not earmarked for the 4th Marine Division provides enough for a nucleus to the 5th Marine Division, purely of my own invention. Numbers in parenthesis approximate strength at mobilization based on Spring 1962 reporting, Officers/Enlisted. Below the line with parenthesis (Forum doesn't like tab overs) are what units either DoD/Navy reorganized for the 4th Marine Division, or I combined for the 5th. Also of my own invention are any of the units identified as "Marine Battalion [Location Name]", which existed in my notes to help concentrate units for re-flagging.
Marine Corps Reserve mobilized formations, based on Reserve Posture Hearings, Committee on Armed Services, 87th Congress, 2nd Session
Mobilization of the 4th Marine Division
1st Battalion, 23rd Marines (38/860)
6th Infantry Battalion: Houston, TX
13th Rifle Company: Austin, TX
33rd Rifle Company: Beaumont, TX
37th Rifle Company: Port Arthur, TX
2nd Battalion, 23rd Marines (34/642)
15th Infantry Battalion: Santa Monica, CA
15th Rifle Company: seal Beach, CA
82nd Rifle Company: Compton, CA
67th Rifle Company: Port Hueneme, CA
3rd Battalion, 23rd Marines (25/538)
7th Infantry Battalion: San Bruno, CA
9th Truck Company: Stockton, CA
14th Rifle Company: San Rafael, CA
35th Rifle Company: Santa Rosa, CA
1st Battalion, 24th Marines (27/796)
5th Infantry Battalion: Detroit, MI
50th Rifle Company: Lansing, MI
51st Rifle Company: Flint, MI
2nd Reconnaissance Battalion: Toledo, OH
2nd Battalion, 24th Marines (35/746)
9th Infantry Battalion: Chicago, IL
10th Infantry Battalion: Forest Park, IL
3rd Reconnaissance Company: Great Lakes, IL
3rd Battalion, 24th Marines (28/526)
2nd Anti-Tank Company: Gulfport, MS
4th Infantry Battalion: New Orleans, LA
29th Rifle Company: Lafayette, LA
Baton Rouge Army Reserve Center
1st Battalion, 25th Marines (38/679)
1st Rifle Company: Springfield, MA
2nd Infantry Battalion: Boston, MA
18th Rifle Company: Manchester, NH
70th Rifle Company: Hartford, CT
2nd Battalion, 25th Marines (46/826)
1st Infantry Battalion: Garden City, NY
2nd Rifle Company: New Rochelle, NY
7th Rifle Company: Dover, NJ
46th Rifle Company: Albany, NY
3rd Battalion, 25th Marines (33/747)
4th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Akron, OH
11th Infantry Battalion: Cleveland, OH
74th Rifle Company: Mansfield, OH
88th Rifle Company: Columbus, OH
1st Battalion, 14th Marines (30/521)
8th Howitzer Battalion (105mm): Los Angeles, CA
5th Gun Battery (155mm Gun): Pico-Rivers, CA
2nd Battalion, 14th Marines (25/409)
5th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Dallas, TX
90th Rifle Company: Wichita Falls, TX
3rd Battalion, 14th Marines (30/534)
7th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Philadelphia, PA
5th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Reading, PA
3rd 155mm Battery: Trenton, NJ
4th Battalion, 14th Marines (25/348)
3rd Howitzer Battalion (105mm): Birmingham, AL
1st Howitzer Battery (105mm): Chattanooga, TN
4th Amphibious Tractor Battalion (25/542)
1st Amphibious Tractor Battalion: Tampa, FL
1st Tank Company: Tallahassee, FL
2nd Amphibious tractor company: Jacksonville, FL
99th Rifle Company: West Palm Beach, FL
4th Anti-Tank Battalion (13/284)
A Company (Reinforced): Rome, GA
1st Anti-Tank Company
B Company (Reinforced): Tulare, CA
6th Anti-Tank Company
C Company (Reinforced): Amarillo, TX
4th Anti-Tank Company
Headquarters Battalion
Communications Company: Cincinnati, OH (11/298)
4th Medical Battalion (8/58)
B Company: Los Angeles, CA
4th Motor Transport Battalion (22/179)
1st Motor Transport Battalion: Atlanta, GA
4th Pioneer Battalion (23/469)
1st Engineer Battalion: Baltimore, MD
8th Rifle Company: Lynchburg, VA
4th Reconnaissance Battalion (19/437)
14th Infantry Battalion: San Antonio, TX
1st Reconnaissance Battalion: Corpus Christi, TX
4th Tank Battalion (15/205)
C Company (Reinforced): Mattydale, NY
Mobilization of the 5th Marine Division
1st Battalion, 26th Marines (36/820)
3rd Infantry Battalion
Part of Marine Battalion McAlester
2nd Battalion, 26th Marines (35/820)
8th Infantry Battalion
Part of Marine Battalion McAlester
3rd Battalion, 26th Marines (36/820)
Marine Battalion Crane
Part of Marine Battalion McAlester
1st Battalion, 27th Marines (34/991)
26th Infantry Battalion
Marine Battalion Sampson
2nd Battalion, 27th Marines (32/837)
93rd Infantry Battalion
Part Marine Battalion Portsmouth
3rd Battalion, 27th Marines (31/833)
Marine Battalion Farragut
Part Marine Battalion Portsmouth
1st Battalion, 28th Marines (40/748)
12th Infantry Battalion
2nd Battalion, 28th Marines (28/712)
Marine Battalion A.P. Hill
3rd Battalion, 28th Marines (35/747)
Marine Battalion Lockbourne
1st Battalion, 13th Marines (29/500)
1st 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Richmond, VA
5th 105mm Howitzer Battery: San Francisco, CA
6th 105mm Howitzer Battery: Canton, OH
1st 155mm Howitzer Battery: Newport, RI
2nd Battalion, 13th Marines (29/466)
6th 105mm Howitzer Battalion: Providence, RI
2nd 105mm Howitzer Battery: Jackson, MS
7th 105mm howitzer Battery: Waterloo, IA
3rd Battalion, 13th Marines (30/491)
2nd 155mm Howitzer Battery: Texarkana, TX
3rd 155mm Howitzer Battery: Connellsville, PA
4th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Raleigh, NC
5th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Joliet, IL
8th 155mm Howitzer Battery: Spokane, WA
4th Battalion, 13th Marines (19/463)
4th 155mm Gun Battery (Reinforced): Denver, CO
7th 155mm Gun Battery: Bakersfield, CA
4th 8in Howitzer Battery: Fort Worth, TX
5th Motor Transport Battalion: Memphis, TN (17/225)
3rd Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company (10/206)
5th Engineer Battalion (11/442)
5th Anti-Tank Battalion (7/239)
3rd Anti-Tank Company: Midland, TX
5th Anti-Tank Company: Pueblo, CO
7th Anti-Tank Company: Yakima, WA
5th Tank Battalion (21/276)
1st Tank Battalion: San Diego, CA
6th Communications Company: Alameda, CA (7/189)
Fleet Marine Force Reserve
3rd Force Reconnaissance Company (5/98)
1st Reconnaissance Company: Mobile, AL
4th Force Reconnaissance Company (4/118)
4th Reconnaissance Company: San Bernardino, CA
5th Force Reconnaissance Company (6/134)
2nd Reconnaissance Company: Albuquerque, NM
2nd Engineer Company: Lynn, MA (8/149)
3rd Engineer Company: Youngstown, OH (7/156)
5th Engineer Company: Roanoke, VA (6/133)
6th Engineer Company: Knoxville, TN (6/108)
8th Engineer company: Orlando, FL (6/128)
9th Engineer Company: phoenix, AZ (8/162)
10th Engineer Company: Portland, ME (4/74)
12th Engineer Company: Tucson, AZ (5/88)
3rd Engineer Maintenance Company (5/90)
86th Rifle Company: Lincoln, NE
4th Engineer Battalion (30/465)
3rd Engineer Battalion: Portland, OR
2nd 155mm gun battery: Eugene, OR
3rd 155mm gun battery: Salem, OR
4th Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company (14/288)
2nd Howitzer battalion (105MM): Miami, FL
1st Communications Maintenance Company (10/194)
9th Communications Company: Freemansburg, PA
2nd Communications Maintenance Company (9/251)
2nd Communications Company: Brooklyn, NY
3rd Communications Maintenance Company: Wichita, KS (4/94)
1st Radio Relay Company (9/168)
8th Communications Company: Indianapolis, IN
2nd Radio Relay Company (7/132)
1st Communications Company: Worcester, MA
6th Communications Company: Alameda, CA (7/189)
7th Communications Company: Huntington, NY
4th Communications Battalion (33/632)
2nd Communications Support Battalion: Chicago, IL
3rd Communications Company: Rochester, NY
22nd Rifle Company: Winston-Salem, NC
85th Rifle Company: Greensboro, NC
5th Communications Battalion (5/145)
1st Communications Support Battalion: Fort Schuyler, NY
1st Air Delivery Company: San Jose, CA (7/205)
1st Combat Service Support Battalion: Norfolk, VA (11/191)
2nd Motor Transport Maintenance Company (11/146)
3rd Motor Transport Battalion: Wyoming, PA
3rd Motor Transport Maintenance Company (4/127)
6th Truck Company: Sacramento, CA
4th Motor Transportation Maintenance Company (5/102)
8th Truck Company: Dayton, OH
5th Motor Transport Maintenance Company (2/60)
87th Rifle Company: Abilene, TX
6th Motor Transport Maintenance Company (5/106)
2nd Truck Company: Augusta, GA
1st Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Columbia, PA (4/74)
2nd Ordnance Maintenance Company
2nd Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Moline, IL (6/97)
3rd Ordnance Field Maintenance Company: Lawrence, MA (4/80)
6th Ordnance Field Maintenance Company (2/73)
72nd Rifle Company: Lima, OH
1st Truck Company: Tulsa, OK (5/128)
3rd Truck Company: New Haven, CT (6/124)
4th Truck Company: Erie, PA (5/76)
5th Truck Company: Charlotte, NC (8/135)
7th Truck Company: Charlottesville, VA (6/77)
4th Motor Transport Battalion: Philadelphia, PA (16/265)
5th Motor Transport Battalion: Memphis, TN (17/225)
6th Motor Transport Battalion (22/377)
2nd Motor Transport Battalion: Port Newark, NJ
If anyone prefers this in the formatted PDF or Word form let me know.
CJHusVar
02-10-2020, 11:00 AM
USMCR stuff I mentioned a while back. Interestingly enough, the Navy Department was in the midst of reorganizing the scattered USMCR units, most of them battalions and companies, into the 4th Division in 1961/1962. So while the units had been reorganized, they didn't receive a higher division HQ until 1966. Wartime exigencies have changed things a bit for Twilight 1964.
.....
If anyone prefers this in the formatted PDF or Word form let me know.
Yes, please!!
lordroel
02-13-2020, 11:58 AM
Other notes:
Indonesia had begun taking delivery of 12 Whiskey-class submarines in 1962, as well as two Russian sub tenders.
Was this still during the West New Guinea dispute between the the Netherlands and Indonesia ore after the end of the dispute.
mcchordsage
02-14-2020, 09:45 AM
Was this still during the West New Guinea dispute between the the Netherlands and Indonesia ore after the end of the dispute.
Yes, the West New Guinea dispute was ongoing. Ordering the subs was part of their confrontation strategy with the Dutch. The Soviets also sold them a Sverdlov class cruiser in '62 but it wasn't delivered until '63. About 100 warships of various classes were sold by the Soviets to Indonesia from 1959 to 1965.
Yes, please!!
I keep meaning to do this then forgetting. Should have it done tonight.
mcchordsage
02-16-2020, 05:32 PM
PDF added.
mcchordsage
03-10-2020, 12:13 AM
Article from ARMOR magazine in 1964 on the AMX-13-75.
mcchordsage
08-27-2020, 09:04 PM
Interactive map showing all operationally ready ICBM silos in the United States as of fall 1962.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1NDHDLAqNy278EI2YlE6hk46ntG1GeiUX&usp=sharing
mcchordsage
09-27-2020, 11:24 PM
Looks like a crowded update but it's fairly simple. I've been through some online OOB resources on the Soviet and East German Armies to come up with a tentative order of battle for 1960-1962 (first two docs). Second two are CIA summaries of the composition of Soviet tank and heavy tank divisions.
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