US Army 3/4 ton truck

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Hey guys,

What was the 3/4 ton truck, of the type listed in the v1 rules, that a team could potentially start with? Surely it wasn't the 1953 model still in use in the 80s (which is what I presume a 1990s would be based on).

Thanks in advance.

[Rainbow Six]

I don't think it specifies. This is the description from the V1 equipment list.

3/4-ton truck: A civilian type 4x4 pickup truck used for military service. It can carry 3/4 ton of cargo or an equivalent load of passengers.
Price: $ 10,000 (S/S) TrMov: 180/35 Com Mov: 60/20 Fuel cap: 90 Fuel cons: 30 Fuel Type: G, A, AvG Load: 750 kg Veh Wt: 2 tons Mnt: 2 Crew: 2

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Cool, thanks. I figured as much but I wanted to make sure. I would imagine that after 1997 but prior to 2000, MilGov would have scraped up a bunch more pure civilian models and sent them across with whatever trickle of resupply went to Europe, maybe daubing them in OD-Green first.

Heh, imagine living in the post-nuke deprivation and finally finding out that your mechanized infantry unit will be mechanized again for the coming offensive, and that you and your fire team will be riding in a luxury SUV :)

[Raellus]

Another possibility is the Kaiser Jeep M715.

According to Wikipedia, "In total, between 1951 and 1968, some 115,000 Dodge M37s were produced. From 1968 onwards, the U.S. military replaced them with the M-715 family of vehicles, which saw service in the Vietnam War. Although these were higher (1​1⁄4 or five-quarter ton) rated, they were militarized "commercial off-the-shelf" (or 'COTS') trucks – and the Kaiser Jeep M715s were considered underpowered and fragile, compared to the purpose-built Dodge M37 tactical trucks they were built to replace."

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[Tegyrius]

I'm partial to the interpretation that they're militarized Hiluxes. Which is to say, Hiluxes. :)

https://ospreypublishing.com/media/catalog/product/9/7/9781472822512_49.jpg (https://ospreypublishing.com/technicals)

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[Spartan-117]

CUCV! http://ftp.olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m1009.php

[swaghauler]

We had both the Dodge 3/4-Ton M880 and M890 series as both a 4 X 4 pickup and the "blazer" body (or whatever Dodge called their SUV body) AND the Chevy M1028 4 X 4 single cab pickup for our supply and maintenance sections. I KNOW the Army also had crew-cab 4 X 4 trucks because they were running around all over Ft. Drum and Ft. Sill. These were basically 3/4-Ton commercial pickups with 24-volt electrical systems and blackout drives installed. Early models were gassers but after 1990 and the switch to "One Fuel Forward" by the Army, our Dodges were retired and we only had Chevys with the same diesel engines as the Hummers.

[Legbreaker]

I believe it's just a generic vehicle with those approximate stats. Yes I suppose you could specify the exact brand and model, but given it's only a very light cargo carrier (and I doubt anyone's first choice of vehicle), why bother?
Same can be said for the "civilian car". Could be anything from the family sedan through to a Lamborghini, to a tiny compact with the roof cut off with a chainsaw.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

With some of the 2ndEd. material, they did make other civilian vehicles available but again, they were generic - sedan, sportscar, limousine, van, recreational vehicle/motorhome
I suppose the authors felt that they were all similar enough that there was no real advantage going into great detail on a list of vehicles that all pretty much were alike and did the same thing.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Funny thing; I had a new player join up so I asked everyone if they wanted a re-roll on vehicles, they agreed since he bumped them up to the 3d6 check, and wouldn't you know, on the re-roll, they instead got a LAV-75 :)

[Legbreaker]

....they instead got a LAV-75 :)

Well that can be a problem - three man crew only with no passenger seats, limited cargo capacity and a ferocious fuel consumption compared to wheeled vehicles.
On the other hand it IS a LAV-75! :p

[Raellus]

Same can be said for the "civilian car". Could be anything from the family sedan through to a Lamborghini, to a tiny compact with the roof cut off with a chainsaw.

Lamborghini, you say?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26613/lamborghini-tried-to-break-into-the-military-market-with-its-g-i-joe-toy-looking-cheetah

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[Legbreaker]

Lamborghini, you say?

Not QUITE what I had in mind, but ok! :D

[pansarskott]

A vehicle like the Mercedes-Benz Geländewagen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class) is about right. Not a pickup, though.

[pmulcahy11b]

Hey guys,

What was the 3/4 ton truck, of the type listed in the v1 rules, that a team could potentially start with? Surely it wasn't the 1953 model still in use in the 80s (which is what I presume a 1990s would be based on).

Thanks in advance.

That was the more formal name of the old M151 (and earlier iterations), the Jeep. They replaced ours with HMMWVs when I was stationed at Ft Stewart during 1987-88, and after they were done, I never saw a Jeep again in the US Army. (The ROKs continued to use Jeeps until nearly 2000, and I don't know when all the Guard and Reserve's Jeeps were replaced.)

I have to embarrass myself here a bit. Growing up, we always hat auto transmission cars, and I grew up not knowing how to drive a standard. So, in the Guard, when they tried to get me driving a Jeep, I caused damage to two Jeep's transmissions that seriously deadlined them. And I was never allowed to drive a standard transmission vehicle in the Guard again. I didn't have the opportunity at Ft. Stewart, and never went to a unit that had standard-transmission vehicles after that. Never had a POV with standard transmission either.

OK, so I can't drive a standard! I'm 58 years old and can't drive a standard! And I'm too damn old to learn now!

[Vespers War]

That was the more formal name of the old M151 (and earlier iterations), the Jeep. They replaced ours with HMMWVs when I was stationed at Ft Stewart during 1987-88, and after they were done, I never saw a Jeep again in the US Army. (The ROKs continued to use Jeeps until nearly 2000, and I don't know when all the Guard and Reserve's Jeeps were replaced.)

I have to embarrass myself here a bit. Growing up, we always hat auto transmission cars, and I grew up not knowing how to drive a standard. So, in the Guard, when they tried to get me driving a Jeep, I caused damage to two Jeep's transmissions that seriously deadlined them. And I was never allowed to drive a standard transmission vehicle in the Guard again. I didn't have the opportunity at Ft. Stewart, and never went to a unit that had standard-transmission vehicles after that. Never had a POV with standard transmission either.

OK, so I can't drive a standard! I'm 58 years old and can't drive a standard! And I'm too damn old to learn now!

The M151 was the Truck, Utility, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M151, not a 3/4-ton truck.

[pmulcahy11b]

The M151 was the Truck, Utility, 1/4-ton, 4x4, M151, not a 3/4-ton truck.

Ahhh...:o...I stand corrected -- on the nomenclature. The story, unfortunately, remains true.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

A vehicle like the Mercedes-Benz Geländewagen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_G-Class) is about right. Not a pickup, though.
Well... only if you grab a civilian version.
However if you get a military-spec version, you can get a pickup style!

Malaysian paratroopers in G-wagen during amphibious exercise, July 2006
https://olive-drab.com/images/id_mb_gclass_01_700.jpg

1993 model G-wagen utility vehicle used by the Indian Army
https://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mercedes-g-class-pick-up-sale-price-14.jpg

[Legbreaker]

OK, so I can't drive a standard! I'm 58 years old and can't drive a standard! And I'm too damn old to learn now!

So....what you're telling us is you're not a real boy? :D

[WallShadow]

<SNIP>
I have to embarrass myself here a bit. Growing up, we always hat auto transmission cars, and I grew up not knowing how to drive a standard. So, in the Guard, when they tried to get me driving a Jeep, I caused damage to two Jeep's transmissions that seriously deadlined them. And I was never allowed to drive a standard transmission vehicle in the Guard again. I didn't have the opportunity at Ft. Stewart, and never went to a unit that had standard-transmission vehicles after that. Never had a POV with standard transmission either.

OK, so I can't drive a standard! I'm 58 years old and can't drive a standard! And I'm too damn old to learn now!

Get over there on the Group W bench.

NOW, Son!