View Full Version : Did the US declare war?
pmulcahy11b
04-11-2022, 10:53 PM
If so, some 4-star theater commanders could be promoted to 5-star rank, along with the Chairman of the JCS.
Raellus
04-13-2022, 01:17 PM
Do you mean during the Twilight War?
If so, I think the answer is yes.
The War Powers Act of 1973 put limits on how presidents can use the military overseas without a declaration of war by Congress. Yes, every president since has pretty much ignored* it, and Congress has let them all get away with it, but I think the Commander in Chief's powers to direct a total war (like WWIII) would be seriously hampered without an official declaration of war and all that entails.
A declaration of war might also be a requirement of NATO protocols, but I don't know.
*The US hasn't declared war since WW2. Not in Korea, Vietnam, either Gulf War, etc. :confused::mad::confused:
Granted, none of those conflicts qualified as total war (full wartime mobilization of the military and economy).
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Targan
04-14-2022, 06:51 AM
If a "state of war" obviously exists (like, say, being able to see the giant glowing glass bowls where cities used to be), does it legally amount to the same thing? Or maybe if it's got to that stage it's kind of a moot point anyway.
kato13
04-14-2022, 08:22 AM
Do we know when the draft was reinstated in the US by congress? The War vote would probably be in the same session, I would think before as a draft would need justification.
Raellus
04-14-2022, 02:38 PM
Do we know when the draft was reinstated in the US by congress? The War vote would probably be in the same session, I would think before as a draft would need justification.
That's a great point, and I fully agree, but, since WW2, there's been a peacetime draft (think Elvis, 1957) and a draft during the [undeclared] Vietnam War .
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chico20854
04-14-2022, 03:00 PM
In the v1 timeline, it appears that war was not declared.
Howling Wilderness states:
"From the bomb shelter under the east wing of
the White House (built during President Truman's tenure, and
never intended to withstand a direct hit), Vice President Pemberton,
after identifying herself, issued a proclamation of the existence
of a state of war (only Congress has the power to declare
war, and that body was not in session), and ordered retaliatory
strikes on the USSR. She was killed a few minutes later when
the missile detonated."
kato13
04-14-2022, 03:37 PM
That's a great point, and I fully agree, but, since WW2, there's been a peacetime draft (think Elvis, 1957) and a draft during the [undeclared] Vietnam War .
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Well Chico gave us the answer, but there was always some conscription until 1973 (I am confused by this number as the laws were changed in 1971 IIRC), "conflicts" (I originally typed "wars" showing what i considered them) just increased the volume.
https://www.sss.gov/history-and-records/induction-statistics/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_the_United_States
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