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Mohoender 05-10-2010 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by RN7 (Post 22187)
Blonde and red hair and blue and green eye colour is also relatively common among people who have no direct links with Europeans, but probably have some ancient European genetic links across Asia and North Africa, especially the Pathans of Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, the Kurds and the Berbers of North Africa. But it also occurs naturally among people who have no link to Europeans, such as Australian aboriginals and Native Americans in parts of South America.

For the Kurds, I have no clue.

For the Berber there is nothing surprising. Once upon a time the Roman Empire ruled these regions. Later they were inveded by Visigoth before being invaded a few hundred years later by Vikings. Not to talk of slave being brought to Al Djazhair.

For Pakistan and India nothing surprising either when you know that the European ethnic group doesn't exist. It's Indo-European.:)

stilleto69 05-10-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 22192)
I think it would have been funnier to write "NONHUMAN."

Come to think of it I once answered "Terran" just to see if the questioner knew what that was.

Webstral 05-10-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RN7 (Post 22187)
Blonde and red hair and blue and green eye colour is also relatively common among people who have no direct links with Europeans, but probably have some ancient European genetic links across Asia and North Africa, especially the Pathans of Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, the Kurds and the Berbers of North Africa. But it also occurs naturally among people who have no link to Europeans, such as Australian aboriginals and Native Americans in parts of South America.

It makes sense that the recessive blue eye gene would survive in various populations. If the recessive gene wasn't in the gene pool in the first place, it wouldn't have been available for the Indo-Europeans when they emerged in central Asia.

Webstral

P.S. Women competing for the affections of a handful of males... By Jove, I like the sound of that! Of course, I'm sure there's a Midas-esque downside to that golden situation.

RN7 05-10-2010 03:32 PM

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For the Berber there is nothing surprising. Once upon a time the Roman Empire ruled these regions. Later they were inveded by Visigoth before being invaded a few hundred years later by Vikings. Not to talk of slave being brought to Al Djazhair.
The Greeks and Phonecians were also there before the Romans, but the origins of the Berbers has been a topic of debate for quite sometime among historians and anthropologists. The ancient Egyptians who bordered them in North Africa described them as white skinned with red hair, a depiction that was still generally around in Roman times. Also it is known that Rameses II who was probably the most famous of the Pharoes had red hair, and it is thought he might have had Berber ancestors. It is possible that the Berbers are closely related to the original people who inhabited the Mediterranean basin after the last Ice Age, hense the European features which are still fairly common among them today, and later migrations, trade and conquests only mixed thing up even more.

Targan 05-10-2010 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RN7 (Post 22187)
Blonde and red hair and blue and green eye colour is also relatively common among people who have no direct links with Europeans, but probably have some ancient European genetic links across Asia and North Africa, especially the Pathans of Pakistan, India and Afghanistan, the Kurds and the Berbers of North Africa. But it also occurs naturally among people who have no link to Europeans, such as Australian aboriginals and Native Americans in parts of South America.

Blonde hair and blue eyes in Australian Aborigines? Only those with some Caucasian blood. Sometimes you see indigenous Australians with reddish or dirty blonde hair but that is because it is sun bleached.

A better example of antipodean indigenous folk with what would normally be considered caucasoid colouring would be the Moriori folk that lived in New Zealand before the arrival of the Maori about 1000 years ago. They were said to have fair complexions and red hair. They were pretty much wiped out by the Maori before the arrival of Europeans but there is some evidence of interbreeding because some of the Maori tribes in the far south of New Zealand's South Island have red hair to this day.

pmulcahy11b 05-10-2010 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Targan (Post 22220)
Blonde hair and blue eyes in Australian Aborigines? Only those with some Caucasian blood. Sometimes you see indigenous Australians with reddish or dirty blonde hair but that is because it is sun bleached.

These days? Quite possible. It's theoretically possible, with modern travel, for an Aborigine to marry and have kids with a Norwegian Lapplander. (Boy, that's be an interesting combination!)

I remember reading somewhere when I was a teenager that by the year 3000, we will all be essentially one race, with few ethnic differences between anyone on the planet. The author hypothesized that our skin color and features will look sort of Polynesian, with differences in eye color and a bit less in hair color.

RN7 05-10-2010 08:43 PM

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Blonde hair and blue eyes in Australian Aborigines? Only those with some Caucasian blood. Sometimes you see indigenous Australians with reddish or dirty blonde hair but that is because it is sun bleached.
Well that is probable, but I believe blonde Aboriginals were also reported in the early days of exploration of Australia. Possible some shipwrecked sailors mixed with the locals, there was a bit of Dutch activity around the shores of Australia before the British decided to make it into a colony.

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A better example of antipodean indigenous folk with what would normally be considered caucasoid colouring would be the Moriori folk that lived in New Zealand before the arrival of the Maori about 1000 years ago. They were said to have fair complexions and red hair. They were pretty much wiped out by the Maori before the arrival of Europeans but there is some evidence of interbreeding because some of the Maori tribes in the far south of New Zealand's South Island have red hair to this day.
I think I would be a bit skeptic about an ancient tribe of caucasians reaching New Zealand a few thousand years ago all the same. But on the other hand there has been some reports of non-stereotypical Native Americans being sighted by early explorers in all parts of the America's, as well as images of people who look very African, Middle Eastern, Oriental and European. There has even been some skeletons and artifacts found that don't quite fit the Berring Strait theory, and some contraversial genetic evidence which points to the possibility that there is some pre-Columban European blood among some Native American groups in North America.

StainlessSteelCynic 05-10-2010 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RN7 (Post 22227)
Well that is probable, but I believe blonde Aboriginals were also reported in the early days of exploration of Australia. Possible some shipwrecked sailors mixed with the locals, there was a bit of Dutch activity around the shores of Australia before the British decided to make it into a colony.

There's also the Portuguese who were trading in the region of Indonesia and Timor about 100 years before the Dutch

Gabe The Gun 05-11-2010 09:16 PM

Or why can't you just put American??????

Webstral 05-11-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe The Gun (Post 22280)
Or why can't you just put American??????

Many do. It seems that in every state in every census, a significant percent (>1%) claim only "American".

Webstral


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