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Legbreaker 03-10-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Panther Al (Post 32056)
But, just from pure S&G's sake, from the IWotW, PzB39.

Oh yeah.

Damage and Penetration to dream of, with a range that is in line with other sniper rifles. Not the best I'll grant, but... :)

Now yer talkin'!
There's a reason the 2.0 Small Arms book has a smilie face in the muzzle.
:gewehr_gr

raketenjagdpanzer 03-10-2011 05:42 PM

Oh and hey, no love for the M1 Carbine Sniper System? :D

Tegyrius 03-10-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 32068)
Oh and hey, no love for the M1 Carbine Sniper System? :D

I'll admit to having an inappropriate amount of love for the M1 carbine, particularly with an Ultimak rail and Aimpoint Micro. But for T2k purposes, the M3 is gonna have something of an encumbrance penalty if it's mounting the original optics...

I'd have to go with the vz.54 for the combination of obscurity and beauty, or the SSG-82 for weird ineffectualness that no one would expect.

- C.

raketenjagdpanzer 03-10-2011 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tegyrius (Post 32069)
I'll admit to having an inappropriate amount of love for the M1 carbine, particularly with an Ultimak rail and Aimpoint Micro. But for T2k purposes, the M3 is gonna have something of an encumbrance penalty if it's mounting the original optics...

You know they say that the US has no penal battalions but I'd wager giving a troop a case of those things and ordering them into battle using 'em would constitute punishment duty based on the weight alone...! :o :D

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I'd have to go with the vz.54 for the combination of obscurity and beauty, or the SSG-82 for weird ineffectualness that no one would expect.

- C.
Wait, isn't that the Skorpion?! (the vz.54).

Tegyrius 03-10-2011 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 32071)
Wait, isn't that the Skorpion?! (the vz.54).

Nope, the Skorpion's the vz.61 - not much of a sniper weapon unless you're taking down squirrels. The vz.54 is a Czechoslovakian-built sniper development of the Mosin-Nagant action:

http://mosinnagant.net/sniper%20sect...s/Vz54left.JPG

http://mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/snipertext1.asp

- C.

raketenjagdpanzer 03-10-2011 06:40 PM

AH. Thank you!

dragoon500ly 03-11-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by HorseSoldier (Post 32053)
M21 is a good idea, but the M14 base gun was problematic -- it's not inherently overly accurate, and while you can make an M14 very accurate, it doesn't tend to stay that way under hard use. Keeping the M21s in the inventory shooting at sniping level accuracy was problematic and the main shortcoming of that system.

The SR-25/Mk 11/M110 is a better way to get the same job done.

A lot of that is the semi-auto action, keeps knocking the ole zero off. But the NCO that ran me through the M-21 always swore that if the shooter double-checked his zero after firing a sequence, then the problem could be avoided. The zero loss is the major reason why you so seldom see semi-auto sniper rifles. What a lot of people forget is that the M-21 was never really designed for sniping duties. It was designed for sharpshooter or what the service calls designated marksmen, a trained infantryman engaging targets inbetween 500-900 meters with sustained, accurate fire. In this role, the M-21 is hard to beat. Its when you compare it to dedicated sniper rifles that the M-21 falls short.

Abbott Shaull 03-11-2011 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dragoon500ly (Post 32093)
A lot of that is the semi-auto action, keeps knocking the ole zero off. But the NCO that ran me through the M-21 always swore that if the shooter double-checked his zero after firing a sequence, then the problem could be avoided. The zero loss is the major reason why you so seldom see semi-auto sniper rifles. What a lot of people forget is that the M-21 was never really designed for sniping duties. It was designed for sharpshooter or what the service calls designated marksmen, a trained infantryman engaging targets inbetween 500-900 meters with sustained, accurate fire. In this role, the M-21 is hard to beat. Its when you compare it to dedicated sniper rifles that the M-21 falls short.

Again the tidbits one comes across.

dragoon500ly 03-12-2011 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull (Post 32098)
Again the tidbits one comes across.

Thank Gawd I had the sense to keep journals when I was in the military!!!!

LVI 07-19-2011 01:55 PM

I've never fired on myself but the barrett is dat dere sexy. it's the sniper rifle of my pc.

buzzgunner 07-20-2011 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LVI (Post 36142)
I've never fired on myself but the barrett is dat dere sexy. it's the sniper rifle of my pc.

By Barrett, I assume you mean the M82A1 or one of their other .50 BMG rifles. (They do make them in a variety of calibers, you know.) The M82A1 shoots nice, but you really start to notice the recoil after a few shots, plus it's a boat anchor.

I've had the privilege of shooting more exotic firearms in my life than I can even count (ask Rockwolf; he can tell you about me). If I were sniping for a living, and had to schlep my primary long gun up and down the mountains of east Asscrackistan, my rifle of choice would be the AMP DSR-1, in .338 Lapua. It's incredibly accurate, comparatively light-weight, ergonomically friendly, holds a zero extremely well (even when handled roughly), and it breaks down easily. As a bonus, it's modular, so you can configure it to suit your next mission. Oh, and let's not forget the additional detail that I can carry seven rounds for this at the same weight of one round of .50 BMG. (FYI, the AI AWM would have been my other choice in this caliber, but it weighs an additional kilo.)

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

Rockwolf66 07-20-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzgunner (Post 36188)
I've had the privilege of shooting more exotic firearms in my life than I can even count (ask Rockwolf; he can tell you about me). If I were sniping for a living, and had to schlep my primary long gun up and down the mountains of east Asscrackistan, my rifle of choice would be the AMP DSR-1, in .338 Lapua. It's incredibly accurate, comparatively light-weight, ergonomically friendly, holds a zero extremely well (even when handled roughly), and it breaks down easily. As a bonus, it's modular, so you can configure it to suit your next mission. Oh, and let's not forget the additional detail that I can carry seven rounds for this at the same weight of one round of .50 BMG. (FYI, the AI AWM would have been my other choice in this caliber, but it weighs an additional kilo.)

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

Mark is a former USMC EOD who has spent the past what is it now 25 years as a firearms instructor and Title II weapons collector. Hopefully he has his HK21E up an running next time I'm upstate. It also reminds me that I should get some good ammo for my sniper rifle and hit the range.

Targan 07-20-2011 07:50 PM

Just spent 15 minutes on Wikipedia schooling myself on US federal firearms regulations and what being a "Title II weapons collector" means. I envy those of you living in the US who are able to collect such firearms. Here in Australia unless you're a regular hunter of large animals it just isn't worth it to jump through all the hoops to own even a bolt action large calibre rifle.

I wouldn't consider myself a "gun nut" or to have any kind of unhealthy or "rambo" interest in firearms but I have a long-standing interest in military and paramilitary firearms and in shooting. I suppose eventually I might join a pistol shooting club but unless you're in the military or are one of a tiny number of qualified and licensed civilian aerial (helicopter) shooters, or fall into a few other highly restricted categories, you can forget about possessing automatic or even semi automatic rifles in any military calibre. Dammit.

Oh, and respect to you, buzzgunner. Marine EOD and firearms instructor, what a fascinating career you must have had.

LVI 07-20-2011 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzgunner (Post 36188)
By Barrett, I assume you mean the M82A1 or one of their other .50 BMG rifles. (They do make them in a variety of calibers, you know.) The M82A1 shoots nice, but you really start to notice the recoil after a few shots, plus it's a boat anchor.

I've had the privilege of shooting more exotic firearms in my life than I can even count (ask Rockwolf; he can tell you about me). If I were sniping for a living, and had to schlep my primary long gun up and down the mountains of east Asscrackistan, my rifle of choice would be the AMP DSR-1, in .338 Lapua. It's incredibly accurate, comparatively light-weight, ergonomically friendly, holds a zero extremely well (even when handled roughly), and it breaks down easily. As a bonus, it's modular, so you can configure it to suit your next mission. Oh, and let's not forget the additional detail that I can carry seven rounds for this at the same weight of one round of .50 BMG. (FYI, the AI AWM would have been my other choice in this caliber, but it weighs an additional kilo.)

Anyway, just my two cents worth.

Nice. And I did mean the M82. I simply slangged it as I thought whenever somebody referred to the Barrett it was the M82 they were speaking of.

I have only had the pleasure to fire a few guns, ones being the .45 and ar15 I own. And my friends M14 plus a few long barrel hunting rifles but that's it. Here in Canada restricted gun owners are few and far between.

Legbreaker 07-20-2011 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Targan (Post 36195)
...you can forget about possessing automatic or even semi automatic rifles in any military calibre. Dammit.

Yes, legally.... and none of us here would ever intentionally break the law and own something like an automatic shotgun or anything would they...? :cool:

Targan 07-20-2011 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Legbreaker (Post 36199)
Yes, legally.... and none of us here would ever intentionally break the law and own something like an automatic shotgun or anything would they...? :cool:

Well sure, I suspect we both know of people that reported their semi-autos "stolen" when the buyback was announced and just buried or otherwise sequestered their now-illegal firearms. I've reached a time in my life where I'd like to stay within the law wherever possible and I'm not willing to risk being caught with an unlicensed firearm (I'd like to retain the option to legally own firearms in the future).

bobcat 08-02-2011 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by waiting4something (Post 22193)
Really? I think you just added to her sex appeal. That's like a bonus to her charisma roll.:D

hey i was gonna say that...:D

of course i did once have the habit of picking up chicks at gun shows.:cool:


as for my preferred snipers rifle i gotta go with the M21. accurate, reliable, and if someone gets too close i can hit them in the face with it and not worry about hurting the weapon.
then there's the old and true maxim that "if ya can't do it with a .308 your doing it wrong"

Ronin 10-10-2011 06:03 PM

I'm a fan of the Dragunov SVD. Its not as accurate as others. But it really the first semi sniper rifle around. If used as it should be. Its a decent medium range rifle. That being said, I'm a traditionalist I really enjoy shooting the Springfield M1903A4. So I guess that would be my bolt gun choice.

ex3313 10-11-2011 09:41 AM

6.5X284 on a savage 110 frame

95th Rifleman 10-11-2011 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dragoon500ly (Post 32093)
A lot of that is the semi-auto action, keeps knocking the ole zero off. But the NCO that ran me through the M-21 always swore that if the shooter double-checked his zero after firing a sequence, then the problem could be avoided. The zero loss is the major reason why you so seldom see semi-auto sniper rifles. What a lot of people forget is that the M-21 was never really designed for sniping duties. It was designed for sharpshooter or what the service calls designated marksmen, a trained infantryman engaging targets inbetween 500-900 meters with sustained, accurate fire. In this role, the M-21 is hard to beat. Its when you compare it to dedicated sniper rifles that the M-21 falls short.

When I've run T2k games the players who go te sniper route end up packing some DMR variant. Sure they have a long range puppy but 9 times out of 10 it's left with the rest of the spare kit after a while.

Schone23666 02-13-2012 05:53 PM

Again an old post...and again, what the hell. :p

I'd say, in the game, assuming it was available? A modified SR-25 in .300 Winchester Magnum. It's lighter than the Barrett M-82(which don't get me wrong, it's long ranged and powerful as hell, but it weighs like a beast), it's accurate, semi-automatic and feeds from a 10 or 20 round magazine that allows quick follow up shots, handling characteristics are similar to the AR-15/M-16/M-4 platform, and the .300 Winchester Magnum does have pretty decent range and packs a punch. If reports out of Iraq were accurate, some SOF members were using this sort of configuration for vehicle interdiction (if someone out there knows more or if this is inaccurate, please let me know).

In real life? Mind you, I have no training as a sniper, but I'd probably pick the same thing assuming I can get it (SR-25 in .300 Winchester Magnum has to be special ordered, if I'm not mistaken). It would just take some time to get used to the recoil, among other things.


However, it seems I voted on the Accuracy International .338 Lapua Magnum for some reason....oops. :o

Cpl. Kalkwarf 02-13-2012 07:04 PM

It would have to be a WSM winchester short magnum. The .300 WM is too long to fit in the 308 magazine. The Mag well would have to be lengthened and the upper redone, basically a whole new weapon.


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Originally Posted by Schone23666 (Post 43409)
Again an old post...and again, what the hell. :p

I'd say, in the game, assuming it was available? A modified SR-25 in .300 Winchester Magnum. It's lighter than the Barrett M-82(which don't get me wrong, it's long ranged and powerful as hell, but it weighs like a beast), it's accurate, semi-automatic and feeds from a 10 or 20 round magazine that allows quick follow up shots, handling characteristics are similar to the AR-15/M-16/M-4 platform, and the .300 Winchester Magnum does have pretty decent range and packs a punch. If reports out of Iraq were accurate, some SOF members were using this sort of configuration for vehicle interdiction (if someone out there knows more or if this is inaccurate, please let me know).

In real life? Mind you, I have no training as a sniper, but I'd probably pick the same thing assuming I can get it (SR-25 in .300 Winchester Magnum has to be special ordered, if I'm not mistaken). It would just take some time to get used to the recoil, among other things.


However, it seems I voted on the Accuracy International .338 Lapua Magnum for some reason....oops. :o


Schone23666 02-13-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf (Post 43413)
It would have to be a WSM winchester short magnum. The .300 WM is too long to fit in the 308 magazine. The Mag well would have to be lengthened and the upper redone, basically a whole new weapon.


You may be right, though I believe the .300 WSM ballistics-wise has about the same performance as the .300 Winchester Magnum, only difference is the cartridge casing itself is shorter but wider (from what I can tell). That said, perhaps they meant to say .300 Winchester Short Magnum but got it confused with .300 Winchester Magnum.

pfloyd 02-14-2012 11:24 AM

In no particular order:

L115A1/A3 Accuracy International AWSM in 338 Lapua
CheyTac Intervention M200 in 408 CheyTac, when you really want to reach out and touch someone... (surprised no one's brought this one up as of yet..)
Stoner M25/M110 series

Schone23666 02-14-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pfloyd (Post 43449)
In no particular order:

L115A1/A3 Accuracy International AWSM in 338 Lapua
CheyTac Intervention M200 in 408 CheyTac, when you really want to reach out and touch someone... (surprised no one's brought this one up as of yet..)
Stoner M25/M110 series

Is there anyone in regards to military, security, PMC or police forces that are using the CheyTac Intervention? It appears to be an interesting weapon.

pfloyd 02-15-2012 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Schone23666 (Post 43452)
Is there anyone in regards to military, security, PMC or police forces that are using the CheyTac Intervention? It appears to be an interesting weapon.

Accordint to Wikipedia, the know users are:

Jordan: Used by Jordanian SRR-61 Regiment.
Poland: Used by GROM operatives.
Turkey: Used by Maroon Berets operatives.

I'm sure there are probably some elite units that haven't officially reported that they use them. The M200 did show up on an episode of The Unit, so it wouldn't surprise me if Delta/CAG was employing them in some fashion.

Medic 02-17-2012 03:48 PM

Depending on the nationality of the character, it could be quite a lot of things. However, a Finnish character would have, depending on his outfit and whether he was actually fully classified as a sniper or a support sniper either sniper rifle m/2000 (Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Magnum), the heavy sniper rifle m/2000 (Barrett .50 cal in either the M82A1 or M107) or, if assigned to further down in the reserves, the sniper rifle m/85 (practically a 7.62x53mmR Mosin-Nagant action mounted on a plywood stock with a heavy free-floating bull-barrel).Of those three I've actually fired the last one (and trained other reservists in its operation) and love the old lady sincerily.

For other nationalities, I'd probably go for a bolt-action rifle like AWM or M24/M40 series. SVD could come to question as well (I have also trained with it as a reservist, though I consider it to be more of a support snipers weapon rather than a full-fledged sniper rifle). The funny thing about SVD is that is was built for use with a heavy protective vest, which makes the stock about 5cm/2" too short - a painful thing to shoot unless you have already learned about that. And the rubber 'suction cup' at the end of the original scope is also a funny one - it feels as if your eye would be just about to be sucked out of its socket when you fire the rifle. :p

CDAT 04-13-2016 04:26 PM

I went with the M21 as it and the M82/M107 are the only ones I have first hand experience with. I do not considered the M82 a sniper rifle, at least the one that I used was not accurate enough. Disclaimer I was not a sniper, but EOD.

Draq 04-16-2016 02:35 PM

Idk if DMRs are included, but an SKS with a low power optic.

StainlessSteelCynic 10-08-2016 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Draq (Post 70265)
Idk if DMRs are included, but an SKS with a low power optic.

Well technically, the SVD is a DMR (because that was the doctrine it was specifically designed for) but it's been put into the role of "sniper" so I reckon the category is wide enough to allow you a DMR rather than a pure sniping rifle.
pfloyd mentioned the Chey Tac Intervention and exhibited surprise that nobody had mentioned it earlier - I think that's probably because it wasn't available until well after the Twilight War had started. From memory it was produced in 2001, so it's far too late for 1st or 2nd ed. timelines, I do actually like it so that's a bit of a disappointment.

If I was going to go the DMR path, I think I'd give my PC the L1A1/C1A1 rifle (with the dustcover designed for mounting scopes) and use that. Couple of reasons - it's robust and a decent hitter, ammo would be relatively easy to find compared to some true sniper rifles in more exotic calibres, take the scope off and it looks like any other combat rifle rather than an obvious sniping weapon, larger magazine capacity than most true sniping rifles.

Targan 10-08-2016 09:25 PM

+1 for the SLR Fan Club.

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Based on the new responses on the Favorite APC/IFV thread, I thought a bit of thread necromancy might be in order.


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