I dislike shotguns. They are useful for only a few, rather specialized things (intimidation and master key). Generally something else will serve the same purpose much better.

That being said, I really like my Saiga-12.

I'd say they're pretty handy for CQB too.

Like anything they have there uses...But most of the time Id rather have a rifle.

Shotguns biggest problem is they have really not had much advancement since the 1897 Winchester. Rifle and even pistol advancement has been a bit more progressive.

Let's not forget they are pretty good at taking fowl. :)

waiting

there has been lots of great developments but none really ever caught on. I think mainly because of the design of the shotshell itself....it's heavy, bulk, rimmed and is also semi flexible and can potentially deform or swell. Also they vary in pressure depending on payload of the round which can really affect semi auto or full auto function. Also ultimately its always been a back burner weapon for the military.

Here are some interesting designs:

SOF (MIWS)
Swatriplex 18
Striker 12
MAG-7
SPAS-15
Pancor Jack Hammer
AA-12
Neostead
SAIGA-12

Of course newer Kel tec KSG and UTAS 12 (but these are more or less copies of earlier designs but took 30 years to finally catch on)

I know what your saying Brother. There have been other styles of shotguns made outside the tubular feed models, but they are never really that much of a improvement. The Vepr 12 looks like the best thing that has come out in awhile, but that is no Twilight 2000 weapon. Your right, I think the fact that we are still using the same 12 gauge ammo that we have been using for over 100 years is a big part of this problem. It'd be like trying to design every rifle around a .45-70 round. The CAWS program ventured into using different sized cartridges and I think that was about as far as it went.

I have always been impressed by the full length brass cases developed for the CAWS by Olin. The Russians also have used full length steel cases.

One of the reasons the CAWS failed was the flechette rounds didn't properly stabilize.They have been trying to develop a flechette launching firearm for a long time.

Shot shells and there construction have come a long way even since the 1980's but the real problem is the sheer size of the cartridge. I think if they used modern sabots and maybe rifled bore they might be able to achieve more.

Perhaps the 3 1/2 shells will come to prominence in the future. But I think shotguns in general will always be hampered.


Brother in Arms

my fave is the one I carried in the game as well as have in real life

My great grandfather's double barrel 10 gauge lupara

Very very reliable - and no matter what you are wearing for body armor if both barrels hit you, you arent going to be standing

(and yes it kicks like an sob if you pull both barrels)

Basically the ultimate close combat weapon - nothing says "goodbye Ivan" after you kick the door in better than that - except maybe a grenade (regular or for those into Call of Duty the rocket propelled variety)

biggest problem in the game was finding ammo - basically had to get my empties reloaded - managed to find a small amount of shells in Krakow that were new but otherwise no luck

Someone call General Pain,


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It seems that Real life is trying to out munchkin him with an 18" long shotgun that feeds from Saiga 12 magazines.

Have you ever used the Barret .50? I had one in Iraq and the muzzle flash is not that bad, the report off of it is a different story, it was blowing holes in the house we were shooting out of, makeing the mouse hole in to a much bigger one.

My choice would be the Mossburg 590A1 with eight round tube, eight round side saddle and four round speed feed stock (twenty total). TacLight and bayonet lug. We have a couple of them at work and thought of much better than our 870 most officers get.

the 590A1 is a pretty tough pump gun. After years of being a gunsmith I think the 590 has less parts breakage and is easier to repair than the Remington 870.

I don't like side saddles very much, but the speed feed is a great idea (especially for law enforcement)

The Bayonet lug is a feature that I truly gravitate towards, make more sense to me on shotgun than on a rifle.

Id have to get an long bladed Eickhorn bayonet like the isreali's bought for the Galil.

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