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kato13 02-17-2010 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Six (Post 18809)
Purely in a T2k context, there is a possibility that handguns would never have been banned in the UK. The handgun ban came into effect in 1997, as a direct result of the 1996 Dunblane Massacre.

Dunblane massacre

Since I Googled it I expect others would have. I remembered it but not the details.

Targan 02-17-2010 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by waiting4something (Post 18792)
See the ironic thing here is now english cops are armed even though they have for the most part disarmed their citizens/potential probelm children.:rolleyes: Infact your saying they have special response teams with MP-5's and a freakin Helo? Huh, sounds like more then enough reason fight those draconian goons that work for the government of England. I mean if the guns are "gone" now, why do they need such a paramilitary police force. Sure, nowdays they will use the war on terrorism as a excuse, but really they just want all the power so people can never challenge them.
I understand why people don't challenge the government- it's scary and you will be made the bad guy by the media. Not just that, it's almost a sure trip to the grave if your lucky and prison if you aren't. I prey that bs doesn't happen in the States, but I know what my choice will be if it does- not trying to be a hard dog, but hay somebody has to jump in the fire.:hanged: Sorry for your loss of freedom man.:(

The police in places like the UK and Australia are armed because despite the law abiding populace largely having been disarmed of their firearms, the criminals still have ready access to guns. Unlike the USA, the citizens of the UK and Australia don't have any fundamental constitutional right to bear arms so it was a relatively simple matter in both those countries to legislate for most private gun ownership to be illegal.

I strongly suspect that the overall number of privately owned firearms in my country remains at a large fraction of what it was before the really draconian gun laws were introduced, the only difference now is that most privately owned firearms here are illegally owned. I'm not a police officer or a statistician so this is my opinion only but I have anecdotal evidence. And as well, a number of times in the past decade I have been offered a variety of guns for purchase "under the table".

Alot of people here were pretty miffed when the really strict gun laws came in but in Australian culture there has never really been rabid pro-gun lobby, well not loudly in public anyway. For most Australians Charlton Heston's "from my cold, dead hands" speech would be considered over the top, even a bit frightening. Different cultures, different norms, different forms of expression.

Rainbow Six 02-17-2010 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kato13 (Post 18812)
Dunblane massacre

Since I Googled it I expect others would have. I remembered it but not the details.

Thanks Kato....

My bad...I should have elaborated... :)

pmulcahy11b 02-17-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jester (Post 18649)
I was always the devoted team and squad leader, giving up my BFA to the new boots who didn't have one so they could get the important training they needed. I was so selfless that way :D

You have no idea where my mind went at first when I saw "BFA"...

pmulcahy11b 02-17-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jester (Post 18644)
I am so glad we never had yo account for our "spent" blanks :D Because most were never spent, but, they did get "used" or so the report went.

When I was in, the attitude among the supply pogues was, "Guess you didn't need all those blanks, pyro, chemlights, etc. We'll allot you less next year." So definitely, everything "got used."

Webstral 02-17-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 18820)
When I was in, the attitude among the supply pogues was, "Guess you didn't need all those blanks, pyro, chemlights, etc. We'll allot you less next year." So definitely, everything "got used."

This attitude is amazingly widespread and amazingly wasteful. I've gone out on many a training exercise in which the unused pyro, blanks, and whatnot are simply consumed at the end of the exercise so that next cycle's ration won't shrink. As a young lieutenant, I got a serious chewing of my fourth point of contact for bringing a half-dozen belts of 7.62 blanks back to the armory. I thought I was conserving resources. What I was really doing was telling the battalion S3 that my company didn't need so much; my CO was hopping mad about it.

Changing this type of thinking requires senior leadership to change their minds about how supply is run. In Twilight: 2000, every round is going to be counted when it comes to training. Simply burning up ammunition to keep the issue of ammunition the same won't be an option. I suppose, then, all it takes is a limited nuclear war for the resources to take on value.

Webstral

neuk 02-17-2010 04:20 PM

[QUOTE=kato13;18808]Didn't mean to suggest that Briton did not have a strong gun culture. Sorry if it came off that way.

You did not, as a gamer for a lot of years and a GM of twilight for the last 20(ish), i believe that my game gets better by talking to other gamers, in the North East of England where I live the gaming community has shrunk over the years.

I have never given much thought in my games for where the 'new' guns come from. Thankyou to all for making me think about topics like this.


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