they might send T-72 to "high profile" units, maybe a company or so not T80's or newer. as the war went on resupply, i think would go all the down to t34's, they had them already and parts and knowledge was there.

why 105 vs 76mm...

the 76 would work against T62, but not if it they were fit with ERA. when planning you have to think 10 years in advance of your data. The SA might be getting a "warning" about "new" tanks coming into there local area.."soon". that would drive making a local product that could ambush kill T-72/T64.

how about having two lines. one making a lot more 76mm and a smaller one making a few 105mm turrets.

also the 76mm is not a "nato" round. getting 105mm Nato type rounds would be alot cheaper and would simplify working with Olifants with the L7's. i don't think the 76mm has a canister round.

Military Balance lists Angola as having 300 T-54/T-55s in early 1990s, along with the T-62s and T-34s.

UNITA also had about 70 captured T-54/T-55 and some T-34s. Pro-Soviet Mozambique also had 80 T-54/T-55s.

there is enough variety in Africa to do a sole "Wild Tales of AFRICOM" source book with just Zimbabwe, Angola, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, and South Africa. Keeping with locally produced or technicals can give you a 200 page source book pretty quick.

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I know, an't that cool. and i forgot to put aircraft on the list.

Thats why I said the GM's are free to improvise with Technicals instead of trying to make a specific "this is a Somali Technical" - if you want an idea of just how outlandish a gun truck or Technical can be look at what the Libyan resistance came up with when they were fighting a few years ago against the Libyan Army - I think the shorter list would be what can't you put on an AWD truck or jeep than what you can

and I like that title "Wild Tales of AFRICOM"

ISIS leads the way. Scan towards the bottom for a T-55 VBIED loaded with probably 3-5 ton of explosives and detonated. OryxBlog


Title is yours. I would never have a use for it. My T2K is either yoorup or murica based modules.

most GM's are hard pressed as it is. I know when I had to be one, I would steal what ever I could for filler and with these types of weapons, it would take some work to get ideas of what had been used in real life. because if you have looked at some of them... let just say that someone must have been on LSD when they came up with the idea.

South Africa was working on a canister round for the 76mm back around 2010 or so. I haven't heard whether it got deployed along with the existing HE and APFSDS. It's not NATO-standard, but it's heavily used - the only major NATO fleet that doesn't use it is the UK.

For T-62s with ERA, they're rare. When the USSR broke up, only 113 of them existed (using Kontakt-1). I haven't seen any claims that type of ERA was effective against KE rounds (unlike Kontakt-5, which added ~250mm RHA equivalent to the armor thickness).

To be fair to the nations listed "technicals" do have a local flavor. A Somali built technical is typically a Range Rover or Toyota Hilux sporting one of four weapon systems (typically, there are more) DsHK, KPV, Recoilless Rifle (Soviet or U.S.), or a Soviet 23mm ZPU 23-1 or 23-2. Eritrea is DsHKs or PK on civvie cars with the roof cut off. Angola, may find a turretless T-55 with multiple MGs welded to cover sectors.

Do not know if this is the right place for it but have created a list of the South African Navy before the outbreak of the war. Not mention are the tugs in use with the South African Navy.

Good page to see more about the South African navy is called: "The South African Navy during the years of conflict in Southern Africa 1966-1989"

South African Navy

Submarines

Daphne class-submarines

S97 SAS Maria van Riebeeck (S97).
S98 SAS Emily Hobhouse(S98).
S99 SAS Johanna van der Merwe (S99).

Fast attack craft

General-class-class strike craft

General-class-class strike craft in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar 4.5 class fast attack craft, three where build to replace the three President-class Type 12 frigates who where decommissioned in the early 1990s.

SAS de Wet (P1570)
SAS Piet Joubert (P1571)
SAS Jan Kemp (P1572)

Warrior-class strike craft

The Warrior-class strike craft in service with the South African Navy are modified Sa'ar 4 (Reshef) class fast attack craft.

SAS Jan Smuts (P1561)
SAS P.W. Botha (P1562)
SAS Frederic Creswell (P1563)
SAS Jim Fouché (P1564)
SAS Frans Erasmus (P1565)
SAS Oswald Pirow (P1566)
SAS Hendrik Mentz (P1567)
SAS Kobie Coetsee (P1568)
SAS Magnus Malan (P1569)

Depot/replenishment ships

SAS Tafelberg
SAS Drakensberg

Mine counter measures vessels

River-class mine counter measures vessels

SAS Umkomaas
SAS Umhloti
SAS Umgeni
SAS Umzimkulu

Ton-class minesweepers

SAS Windhoek
SAS East London
SAS Kimberley
SAS Walvisbaai

Patrol boat

Namacurra-class harbour patrol boat

Pennant Numbers Y1501 - Y1530

When I was working on it, I was thinking of "Morning Calm" for my Korea work, and "Remember the Alamo" for my San Antonio work.

I'm working on them again -- but very slowly. One day, I'll have something finished to put up on my site.

San Antonio would be a very good area for a module - was getting to that in my Olefin Universe thread but put that on hold to finish the sourcebook - will get back to that soon

Why not collaborate on a "technicals and improvised vehicles" book.

A points system based on tech level, materials at hand, builders knowledge, tools available, and time.

Points (or cash) buys chassis, engine, tires, electrical system, hydraulics, brakes, reliability, and common parts. With common, uncommon, difficult to find, rare, and antique affecting availability and cost. Along the lines of Car Wars perhaps?

Essentially no Centurions survived the Collapse in Somalia. I personally saw the 2nd MEU destroying one near Kismayo so it wouldn't fall into "militia" hands. The UN was also "securing" other large ordinance (howitzers and large AFVs) left over from the Collapse.

What Somalia had in abundance were Toyota trucks (the majority 1980's vintage 2WD and 4WD regular cabs with rotting bodies). These mounted every crew served weapon imaginable and the various factions used them liberally too.

A technicals book would be interesting, particularly if it discussed the locally preferred types (as mentioned up-thread) and had base vehicles to work from to allow a campaign to have its own technicals. Since people have a tendency to want to add everything to their vehicles, some sort of rules for what happens when a frame is overloaded would help.

For Merc, it might also be useful to have civilian armored cars (Brinks trucks) and possibly some construction vehicles like bulldozers or dump trucks.

What about something to adjust the rules to different time periods and settings?

I've posted before about the post-WWI game that I've run (and might do again), and a pre-WW2 or WW2 game might have legs. It was suggested that the Jedburgh missions would be a really good setting for a short-term campaign. During the Cold War, there should be plenty of Merc-style missions or longer-term campaign settings.

Such an article would highlight period weapons whose stats are available in the various sourcebooks or modules, plus conversions for weapons & vehicles that aren't in any of the books.
- Adjustments to character generation (no Computer skill, for instance)
- depending on the campaign, the availability of outside support
- depending on the campaign, opposing forces and potential mission ideas