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kalos72 05-22-2016 09:03 AM

I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort? :)

Desalination is definitely a good option but would only really be a life saver if you follow the HW line. I also like the cold fusion link, like that SLOWPOKE reactor tied to a desalination plant. Perfect for the reactors small size/output.

pmulcahy11b 05-22-2016 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kalos72 (Post 70973)
I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort? :)

Sort of like a "thingamabob in US slang.

kato13 05-22-2016 10:05 AM

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In fiction, a MacGuffin (sometimes McGuffin or maguffin) is a plot device in the form of some goal, desired object, or other motivator that the protagonist pursues, often with little or no narrative explanation. The specific nature of a MacGuffin is typically unimportant to the overall plot. The most common type of MacGuffin is an object, place, or person; other, more abstract types include money, victory, glory, survival, power, love, or some unexplained driving force.

MacGuffin

Examples would include the Maltese Falcon and the Case from Pulp Fiction.

ArmySGT. 05-22-2016 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kalos72 (Post 70973)
I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort? :)

Important reference for anyone interested in writing fiction for fun or profit.

TROPES

kalos72 05-22-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kalos72 (Post 70967)
That Saving Davis Monthon write up lists the 1st and the 14th in MILGOV control, possibly in Colorado.

Do they make Air Force ORBATS that include nor "flight" units? Ill have to check the published 1996 ORBAT again...

And the article Pacific Fleet has the 3rd Wing in Alaska and the 15th Wing in Hawaii. Two more down...

Now I need a list of the ones active at the time and start to walk back the list.

WallShadow 05-22-2016 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kalos72 (Post 70973)
I take it a McGuffin is a fictional device of some sort? :)

Desalination is definitely a good option but would only really be a life saver if you follow the HW line. I also like the cold fusion link, like that SLOWPOKE reactor tied to a desalination plant. Perfect for the reactors small size/output.

A "mcGuffin" is an object that is the goal of a plot, wherein it is being sought, fought over, destroyed, or whatever. IIRC the term was originated by Alfred Hitchcock to describe such a plot device. One "Remington Steele" episode had a McGuffin that was the recipe for a fat-free, calorie-free, absolutely delicious chocolate chip cookie. People were being killed for getting in the way of baddies obtaining it.

And the SLOWPOKE reactor (or even a cheap Radionucleide Thermal Reactor like the kind that is currently on a space probe wending its way out of the solar system) would be even better, since it really does exist and can apparently be constructed relatively simply.

Olefin 05-23-2016 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Legbreaker (Post 70959)
Is there a book you actually agree with? Seems like everything had holes in it according to you. Meanwhile many of us are happy to work with what we've got and make it work rather than continually attempt to pull it down.

Barely functional and nothing like what remains elsewhere. Poland really has been bombed back to the middle ages and it's feudal/despotism systems.

100,000 / 3,000,000 = 0.033333 remaining. Close enough to 97% casualties.

Actually a lot people have issues with the East European Sourcebook - as has been said by many people here the orders of battle listed for the various countries have all kinds of errors in them

And Silesia was nuked to hell and back invaded and fought over multiple times, etc.. - most of the US didn't have that happen - I don't see any issue with big depopulation occurring where you have multiple armies fighting over the areas for four years and add in a couple of dozen plus nukes in the same area over that time - that description (with a few very limited areas - i.e. LA and some areas in Texas) doesn't apply to the US

Legbreaker 05-23-2016 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Olefin (Post 70990)
Actually a lot people have issues with the East European Sourcebook - as has been said by many people here the orders of battle listed for the various countries have all kinds of errors in them.

Really? Who?
There are 780 members of this forum. Which ones have a problem with the books?
Perhaps we should take a poll?

kalos72 05-23-2016 08:05 AM

Why Leg?

As usual, you play the game your way and others will theirs. I will assume by your response that you agree with everything written and have no issues with anything GDW has written. Noted.

I for one, do.

Olefin 05-23-2016 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Legbreaker (Post 70991)
Really? Who?
There are 780 members of this forum. Which ones have a problem with the books?
Perhaps we should take a poll?


Oh I don't know Leg - how about his whole thread - http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.p...ean+sourcebook

which had various people on the board discussing the issues they had with how the 8th ended up in Latvia and the fact that the Turkish and Greek armies have Russian tanks in it instead of the actual tanks they was equipped with in real life or the tanks that it was equipped with in both NATO books that described the Turkish Army for example - both forces should be equipped with older NATO tanks as both of them were in NATO in 1996 and Turkey still is

WallShadow 05-23-2016 12:04 PM

To quote President Merkin Muffley: "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room"

kalos72 05-23-2016 12:14 PM

So this is all I can get canon or fan materials:

1st Air Wing - Colorado?
3rd Air Wing - UK
14th Air Wing - Colorado?
15th Air Wing - Hawaii
16th Air Wing - Spain - possibly Middel East after?
17th Air Wing - Germany
18th Air Wing - Japan
36th Air Wing - Guam
60th Air Mobility Wing - CA
374th Airlift Wing - Japan
92nd Air Refueling Wing - OR
940th Air Refueling Wing - CA
7th Air Division - Germany
322nd Airlift Division: Germany
352nd Special Operations Wing - UK
7455th Tactical Intelligence Wing - Germany

Olefin 05-23-2016 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WallShadow (Post 70995)
To quote President Merkin Muffley: "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room"

I prefer Slim Pickens riding that nuke down myself

unkated 05-27-2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kato13 (Post 70975)
MacGuffin

Examples would include the Maltese Falcon and the Case from Pulp Fiction.

... Or perhaps "There has been a limited nuclear war, and you are a soldier fighting with the remnants of the US army in Europe. Your division makes a successful raid into Poland, only to find itself surrounded by Soviet and Warsaw pact units..." :)

Uncle Ted

WallShadow 01-21-2018 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RN7 (Post 70826)
Howling Wilderness has the U.S. Army 194th Armoured Brigade guarding the oil refinery at Robinson, IL and a few functional oil fields surrounding it. However it also states that a recent accident severely damaged the plants last operating catalytic convertor, and the refinery is currently operating at one percent of its designed capacity. The brigade commander is also considering evacuating from Cairo, IL to Robinson and severing all ties with MilGov.

Doesn't give much information about refineries Oklahoma other than stating there are some or maybe one, and some oil wells. Reference to Colorado also supplying fuel, although that maybe from a depot of scavenged supplies.

From Wikipedia:
"In some FCC catalysts, the Brønsted sites may be later replaced by rare earth metals such as cerium and lanthanum to provide alternative activity and stability levels."
Lanthanum! aha! another connection to the stategic material of the Traveller future. Not in the 2300 AD universe, albeit.

unkated 01-23-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WallShadow (Post 76958)
From Wikipedia:
"In some FCC catalysts, the Brønsted sites may be later replaced by rare earth metals such as cerium and lanthanum to provide alternative activity and stability levels."
Lanthanum! aha! another connection to the stategic material of the Traveller future.

2091 AD* is coming sooner than you think!

Uncle Ted



* 2091 AD is when the Solomani (us here on Terra) discover Traveller Jump Drive technology, using Lanthanum, setting the Traveller universe in motion for the nasty Terrans to topple the Vilani First Imperium, set up the brief Second Empire, collapse it into the Long Night and then start the Third Imperium which grows for 1000 years until it reaches the Classic Traveller period...


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