Yep. I always figured if T2K type war ever actually happened, I'd be toast anyhow. My home town is a target, either 3 or 5 kt if I rember right.

:D

This is good stuff. My students are obsessed with 2012 as well and no amount of explaining the known facts about the Mayan calendar system will convince most of them that the 2012 end of the world "prophesy" is just a whole lot of bunk. I think this will actually help. Thanks!

In reference to the "Nuclear War" situation, be it T2K, T2013 or "real nuclear war", I know I would be dead, not instant, but I do have that backup, but I know we would be COVERED in radiation here, as I live in a small town called Castleford in West Yorkshire in the UK, its only about 5 miles from Leeds, then you have a tonne of old "mechanical yards" areas here, since the mining dried up and factories moved to China for cheap labour, this area has suffered, but under the T2K and T2013 timelines, I doubt that would have happened.

I agree with Weswood. I live about 8 miles/15 km from Fort Bragg, NC. If the balloon goes up, and I am at work, (ON Ft. Bragg) there will be a quick flash and I'm toast. If I am home, the big flash, then a lot of if, then, maybe's as to what happens next.

You and Weswood are lucky guys. I live a few miles away from a potential target but, due to the mountainous area I'm living in, I have little chance to be toasted. I, however, be cooking for a few days before passing out.:D

Reminds me of a conversation I had years ago while I was living at Fort Carson (Colorado Springs). One of the guys pointed out that they would be fine, since the books said the Springs Survived, and that they was using Fort Carson as a operations base.

I asked him a number of things:

One, How many Megatonnage was dropped on NORAD? Something like 3MT he said. "Right" I go, "Step outside shall we?" And we step out of the game store located in Northern Colorado Springs. I point to the south southwest, at a mountain top covered in antennas, "Whats that?" I ask, He goes, "NORAD." "Right, and whats 3 miles in that direction?" I follow up, pointing to the east, "Its the AFB where all our satellite stuff, like, oh... GPS.. is run from. And those tracks there? Main choke point in rail traffic going North South in the west. Do you really think if they dropped 3 Megatons on the pair of targets in this city that rates primary attention, that Fort Carson - which if you stand at gate one can put lead from a .50 on the front gate of the NORAD complex - and the city itself, which is a 10-15 minute drive during rush hour from the AF Academy at the far north to NORAD at the SSW corner of the city would still be here?"

He gave no comment. :)

LOL I would be too. We live a block from the Soo Locks... Not one of the first targets, but would still be up on the list...

LOL... It is so fun when you point out something that obvious...

I think the appropriate response to this is the following truism:

Don't confuse the issue with facts.

:D

My two cents

Mike

By the T2K timeline San Antonio had three secondary targets and a tertiary target: Randolph AFB (Air Training Command and a SAC dispersal base), Kelly AFB ( heavy aircraft maintenance depot and also a SAC dispersal base), Ft Sam Houston (8th Army HQ, MEDDAC HQ, and primary training ground for medics, including SF medics), and Lackland AFB (Air Force basic training, and first stop for PJs in training, as well as being the primary school for training military dogs). I don't think the scenario in Red Star, Lone Star would have actually taken place.

I recently re-read a lot of the old 1ed stuff, and I have to say, it left me scratching my head a good bit. Beyond the idea that Colorado Springs and Fort Carson surviving (And NORAD to boot) a 3mt wakeup call, there was a lot there that didn't make a lot of sense. Oddly enough, NA wasn't one of those things more than the scale of it. I can easily see a some wacko with some brains doing something like that.

About 20 years ago I was living in Chambersburg, PA, which is
--just outside Letterkenney Army Depot (missile refurbishment, M109 overhaul, ammo disposal, and vehicle mothballling in huge oil-tank-like controlled environment structures). Rumors abounded among the locals about onsite underground hardened C-3 bunkers, anti-aircraft missile batteries concealed by innocent-looking buildings or houses, and many other interesting postulations.
--about 18 miles northwest of Ft.Ritchie, MD (support facility for Site R),
--25 miles NW from Raven Rock/Site R/Alternative Joint Communication Center/"little Pentagon",
--35 miles NW from Camp David,
--45 miles from Fort Detrick (Class 4 lab with lots of biowarfare goodies),
--20 miles N of Hagerstown, MD where Fairchild Aircraft was building the A-10 Warthog at the time.
--30 miles SW from the Carlisle Barracks/Army War College, and
--15 miles NW from Site Cannonball, a hardened communications relay/possible emergency relocation site.

Not to mention 50 miles W of BMY in York, PA (producing M88 Hercules and M109 SP guns), 60 SW of the PA National Guard HQ in Harrisburg, and 80 SW of Ft. Indiantown Gap.

Not the bullseye, but in the midst or vicinity of several fairly nice and juicy targets.
"Collateral Damage", anyone?

Not to mention that the Soviet Military Attache got a speeding ticket there back in 1979....and he's now the Targeting Officer for the Strategic Missile Force....

Payback?

That's the problem I had with the 1st edition, it was almost like someone at GDW was throwing darts at a road map of the US. It didn't make a lot of sense.

Once again, the maps and target lists as published only show weapons of 500 klilotonnes and up (with a few exceptions). There's a LOT of strikes which aren't shown to allow the GM some flexibility and to keep players in the dark.
Just because the books don't specifically say a particular location was nuked, doesn't mean it didn't get hit with a smaller warhead.

I'm watching a documentary on the OBL mission (UK Channel 4) right now; it talks about the helo crash and confirms that the cause was the airflow from the rotor being trapped in the confined space of the compound- they don't use the term vortex ring, but that is it.
I like being right!

LOL...I watched the same programme...when they started talking about the helo crash I thought "that's exactly the way Sanjuro called it"!

New America in T2K is pretty closely cloned off of the real life National Alliance and their leader, William Pierce (whose only real main stream notice or notoreity is that he authored the Turner Diaries that Timothy McVeigh was fond of) -- only with the membership (and, I assume, the prep for the apocalypse) cranked up a lot.

If I remember right, Pierce even maintained a retreat in West Virginia, a la Hughes in Kidnapped before his death and the subsequent collapse of National Alliance into squabbling factions and such.

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I just Googled the National Alliance website--they aren't shy about who their target audience is!