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pmulcahy11b 07-22-2022 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Raellus (Post 92561)

Let's add the A-10 Warthog to that list!


Elements in the USAF and Congress have been trying to get rid of the A-10 for decades. What better send-off than allowing them the opportunity to go out doing what they were designed to do- take out Russian armor.

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I think that if someone can come with something better than the Warthog, they should put up or shut up. The A-10 is like the B-52 -- there's nothing that can fill it's shoes.

They need to warm up production lines for the A-10C.

swaghauler 07-22-2022 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 92567)
I think that if someone can come with something better than the Warthog, they should put up or shut up. The A-10 is like the B-52 -- there's nothing that can fill it's shoes.

They need to warm up production lines for the A-10C.

I wonder If that will happen but for a singularly different reason. The Army is trying hard to abolish or circumvent the Key West Agreement and really does want the A10. There are something like 160 operational airframes and the Army would need them all to fill in the gaps in CAS that they have with the Apache.

All that being said, the A10 would be a good idea for three reasons...

It can operate from "austere airfields."

Its cost of operation per flight hour is the lowest you can get in a combat jet.

Its tech is very Cold War meaning you do NOT NEED lots of high-tech gear to maintain or fight with the jet.

Sadly though, it won't solve Ukraine's most pressing need... CAP (Combat Air Patrol)... Ukraine needs something to stop high-altitude bombers and standoff attacks from Russian jets.

I STILL believe that the easiest route to take is to have all our former Pact members give up their older Mig 29s, SU22s, and even their Mig 21s and then replace THOSE NATO aircraft with F16s.

swaghauler 07-24-2022 10:09 AM

Helos At War
 
Perun has done an analysis of the use of helicopters in Ukraine.

https://youtu.be/qnoKpXvj41A



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pmulcahy11b 07-30-2022 12:39 PM

Here's an interesting counterpoint to the A-10s for Ukraine idea:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAEQwlNeL0s

Raellus 08-02-2022 11:02 AM

Those are fair points, and if the Ukrainians don't want A-10s, we shouldn't try to foist our unwanted Warthogs on them. I'm kind of surprised that the Ukrainians aren't interested, though, given that they're using SU-25s on a regular basis, but I get that the supply of trained, experienced pilots is limited, and that the greater need is for fighter aircraft.

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bash 08-02-2022 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Raellus (Post 92678)
Those are fair points, and if the Ukrainians don't want A-10s, we shouldn't try to foist our unwanted Warthogs on them. I'm kind of surprised that the Ukrainians aren't interested, though, given that they're using SU-25s on a regular basis, but I get that the supply of trained, experienced pilots is limited, and that the greater need is for fighter aircraft.

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I am not some sort of A-10 hater or anything but I find the mythology around it a little tedious. It's got a relatively short combat radius, little air-to-air capability, and is fairly slow. In an environment without air superiority and little in the way of SEAD from friendly forces it would be a sitting duck.

For the Ukrainians in particular it would be nearly useless. It can't mount any weapons they might have in stock. The moment it supplied ammo is spent the jets are just taking up a hangar. The A-10 also has no sensors besides what comes in attached pods. Unless the US is going to also send those then the A-10 is a gun and dumb bombs aimed with iron sights. Ukraine would be much better off getting resources to keep their SU-25s operational.

The A-10 as part of US forces can be formidable because other weapon systems exist to let it do its job. It would be far less effective in other militaries that don't have as deep of a weapon systems bench as the US does.

pmulcahy11b 08-03-2022 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bash (Post 92688)

For the Ukrainians in particular it would be nearly useless. It can't mount any weapons they might have in stock.

This is probably true of the Ukrainian supply chain in general. Ukrainian logistics officers must be having nightmares about supplying their troops -- particularly spare parts. Western aircraft would turn that into fever nightmares.

swaghauler 08-07-2022 11:44 AM

Presentation on Ballistic & Cruise Missiles in Ukraine
 
Here's another video on the employment and also the logistical aspects of the cruise and ballistic missile use in Ukraine.

https://youtu.be/_F7mt4rNVY0


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Raellus 08-08-2022 04:51 PM

Potential Escalations?
 
North Korea might be sending 100k "volunteers" to fight for Russia in Ukraine.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...to-help-russia

US AG-88 HARM ARMs have made an appearance in Ukraine.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ent-to-ukraine

I was under the impression that Cold War era Soviet combat aircraft would require significant modifications to employ advanced US/NATO weaponry.

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kato13 08-08-2022 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Raellus (Post 92705)
I was under the impression that Cold War era Soviet combat aircraft would require significant modifications to employ advanced US/NATO weaponry.

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Same here I was in a discussion where I thought the only really effective ARM option was Israeli autonomous drones (or the secret DARPA/Skunkworks/CIA equivalent I am sure exists). "Death finds a way" Paraphrasing Ian Malcolm.

Targan 08-08-2022 06:18 PM

It is sort of addressed in the article.

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Originally Posted by The War Zone's Tyler Rogoway
The AGM-88 could work with relatively minimal integration, potentially leveraging a federated interface, such as e-tablet, for very basic functionality. Ukraine's fighters are Soviet-era machines and totally lack the right interfaces, including the basic bus architecture, for modern NATO-compatible weaponry. But it's possible a relatively crude modification could have been adapted for this single weapon. There is also the possibility of a clandestine transfer of Soviet-era aircraft from NATO states that have been upgraded with NATO-standard bus architecture and adaptable avionics that could provide an interface for the HARM.


Vespers War 08-08-2022 07:51 PM

Apparently an Under Secretary of Defense mentioned that we sent anti-radiation missiles that could be fired from Ukrainian aircraft.

https://twitter.com/OstapYarysh/stat...96165760081926

ETA: Also, Russia apparently lost a second BMO-T recently. Not many of those were built to begin with. They're a T-72-based Heavy APC intended for use by flamethrower troops, with 32 RPO-A Shmel thermobaric rocket launchers carried for use by the dismounts.

swaghauler 08-09-2022 06:04 AM

Armorcast has a video on the T90 that is pretty close to reality. I wasn't going to post this because it roasts the T90 pretty badly but it is kind of accurate. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/4Q83AIJCGaQ


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swaghauler 08-09-2022 07:32 AM

US Lend Lease Breakdown
 
Here's Cappy breaking down the newest US aid bill to Ukraine (the 53 Billion dollar bill) and it looks like the winner here is going to be the US...

https://youtu.be/sLkgRJqij4k

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swaghauler 08-14-2022 08:18 AM

Ukrainian Mobilization
 
Perun has now downloaded a presentation on Ukrainian mobilization and it is certainly worth watching.

https://youtu.be/cVx3Nlifo4Q

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swaghauler 08-20-2022 05:45 PM

Taiwan's Revolver Drone
 
Here's Taiwan's gift to Ukraine... The Revolver Drone capable of holding EIGHT 60mm Mortar rounds...

https://youtu.be/kOHgVBtV3MQ

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swaghauler 08-21-2022 08:29 AM

Ukrainian Technical, more sophisticated than African Technicals
 
Here is a very Twilight2000 Ukrainian Technical...

https://youtu.be/onroLhwyj0o

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Raellus 08-26-2022 03:25 PM

Gepards to the Front
 
Finally!

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...w-in-the-fight

I've long thought that an SPAAG of some sort would make an interesting PC vehicle- it strikes me as a bit more versatile, and less OP- in terms of armament- than an MBT. And what T2ker hasn't run across a Shilka or equivalent on campaign.

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swaghauler 08-26-2022 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Raellus (Post 92823)
Finally!

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...w-in-the-fight

I've long thought that an SPAAG of some sort would make an interesting PC vehicle- it strikes me as a bit more versatile, and less OP- in terms of armament- than an MBT. And what T2ker hasn't run across a Shilka or equivalent on campaign.

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My one issue with any AA is the fact that TWILIGHT2000 really didn't address the radars that many AA Gun Systems & Missile Launchers have installed in them. Without those rules, the GM is left to fumble about trying to figure out what each radar can actually detect.

swaghauler 08-27-2022 12:48 PM

MK VI Patrol Boats Slated for Ukraine
 
The MK6 Patrol boat is finding its way into the Black Sea. Here's a video on the MK6...

https://youtu.be/1Dxt0XX_330

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swaghauler 08-28-2022 06:59 AM

The Effects On Russian Arms Sales Due To Ukraine
 
Here's another presentation from PERUN on the effect of Ukraine on the Russian defense industry...

https://youtu.be/73hBbONvCN0

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swaghauler 08-29-2022 09:32 AM

Tactical Updates on Ukraine
 
Here's an easy-to-digest update on the war from June till now.

https://youtu.be/WS0D0X8V6rg

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Ursus Maior 08-29-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by swaghauler (Post 92828)
My one issue with any AA is the fact that TWILIGHT2000 really didn't address the radars that many AA Gun Systems & Missile Launchers have installed in them. Without those rules, the GM is left to fumble about trying to figure out what each radar can actually detect.

Back in the 80s that was information impossible to come by. And even today with the Gepard SPAAG out of service in the Bundeswehr for 12 years, this is still obscure data and securely guarded data. From what I hear, the source is a former Gepard commander and officer, the latest Gepard could easily detect small drones ot to a couple of kilometers and successfully engage them.

Ursus Maior 08-29-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raellus (Post 92823)

It's just incredibly sad our conservatives dumped the Gepards, under the screams of the AA community, and sold them off across the world. This is one hell of a big cat.

pmulcahy11b 08-29-2022 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by swaghauler (Post 92828)
My one issue with any AA is the fact that TWILIGHT2000 really didn't address the radars that many AA Gun Systems & Missile Launchers have installed in them. Without those rules, the GM is left to fumble about trying to figure out what each radar can actually detect.

That is a problem, but the solution (other than an RF bonus) would range from cumbersome to nightmarish -- radar detection and ranging is incredibly complicated, which is why the first production stealth designs didn't appear until the late 1970s. I've been trying to come up with something coherent for decades.

The Zappster 08-30-2022 12:05 PM

Has any checked if the traveller house rules has anything that can help ?

Homer 08-30-2022 12:55 PM

Everything over and above a simple search radar or ranging radar gets complex quickly. I think GDW took three approaches to simplify things: first, radar/lrf/ballistic computer, etc are rolled into a single modifier; second, remove most air assets from the game due to cannon circumstances; finally, limit availability of complex systems using availability and judgement.

That said, much of AD in the 90s was moving towards networked systems. This included linking forward search and cueing systems into non radar equipped fire units, using bridging data structure to merge the air and AD pictures, and expanding engagement envelopes to include non-air breather threats. Most of this structure is probably destroyed or needing repair by 2000, but allowing certain items to remain could help replicate the search and cue capabilities.

Raellus 08-30-2022 01:27 PM

The convenient thing about SPAAGs in the T2k-verse is that players/Ref's probably won't ever have to figure out/use radar rules, as aerial targets are few and far between by the late stages of the war. However, those auto-cannons are still useful against ground targets. A SPAAG has a good chance of knocking out anything short of a modern MBT.

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Homer 08-30-2022 05:53 PM

Against an MBT their volume of fire would probably have a pretty good chance of getting a suppression or a mission kill by crazing vision blocks, hitting primary sights, destroying exposed portions of FCS (wind sensors, rangefinders), and knocking off antennas and exposed machine guns. The tank and crew will survive, but they may need to fight degraded or pull off for repair. Against anything less they’d be absolutely deadly.

pmulcahy11b 08-30-2022 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer (Post 92858)
Against an MBT their volume of fire would probably have a pretty good chance of getting a suppression or a mission kill by crazing vision blocks, hitting primary sights, destroying exposed portions of FCS (wind sensors, rangefinders), and knocking off antennas and exposed machine guns. The tank and crew will survive, but they may need to fight degraded or pull off for repair. Against anything less they’d be absolutely deadly.

That might again take new rules!

This reminds me the story out of Vietnam about a Cobra crew who needed to stop a PT-76. Unfortunately, they only had HE rockets, which did not penetrate the PT-76. But they kept firing, and the tank was stopped -- not by destruction or a mobility kill, but by the concussion from the HE explosions on the PT-76 killing the crew.

New rule?

Homer 08-31-2022 06:44 AM

I don’t have my rules handy, so I’m winging it. That might be able to be replicated by rolling for hit and location then allowing for judgement on a non-penetrating hit. The 1st Edition rules with their more detailed vehicle damage would probably be easier to work with. Otherwise you’d need to have a copy of janes handy!

Artillery, especially HE/VT, is the same way. Even 60mm mortar fragments can effect an armored vehicle by chopping off antennas, damaging external weapons or sights, shredding external stowage (esp crew gear), etc.

swaghauler 08-31-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 92859)
That might again take new rules!

This reminds me the story out of Vietnam about a Cobra crew who needed to stop a PT-76. Unfortunately, they only had HE rockets, which did not penetrate the PT-76. But they kept firing, and the tank was stopped -- not by destruction or a mobility kill, but by the concussion from the HE explosions on the PT-76 killing the crew.

New rule?

For overpressure damage in V2.2, I take the Concussion Damage dice and subtract the vehicle's armor protection from that number. If the number is positive, that is the number of D10s you roll for occupant damage. This "blast damage" (like my actual concussion damage) is divided up and applied to ALL the locations with extra damage being applied to specific locations as follows...

Head first
Chest second
Abdomen third
Limbs (start with the arms) last

Personal body armor (other than a bomb suit) DOES NOT work for Concussion Damage.

Vehicle Damage:

I put electronics on the outside lines of my vehicle charts. So you can hit radio antennas, electronics, and optics by rolling that line on my location charts (these resemble the charts used by BATTLETECH the mech game).

swaghauler 08-31-2022 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 92853)
That is a problem, but the solution (other than an RF bonus) would range from cumbersome to nightmarish -- radar detection and ranging is incredibly complicated, which is why the first production stealth designs didn't appear until the late 1970s. I've been trying to come up with something coherent for decades.

I have been kicking around a chart like my Observation and Spotting Chart (yes I have posted that chart in this forum) where a DETECTION radar would have a Skill Difficulty column for...

Large Aircraft above NOA (Nap of Earth)
Large Aircraft at NOA or small aircraft (drones)
Large Ground Targets
Small Ground Targets

Non-Doppler Radars would give range and bearing (with two units needed for altitude triangulation).

Doppler Radars would give a range, bearing, and altitude. It's hard to believe, but before Doppler Radar (and now ESA) everyone needed two radars scanning to pinpoint exact range and altitude.

In addition to DETECTION RADARS, you'd also have a TARGETING Radar that could direct weapons fire. By the '70s, you could combine BOTH Radar types into one unified system.

Raellus 09-04-2022 02:32 PM

War isn't Funny, but...
 
Kind of silly, kind of clever: In this parody mashup, HIMARS, representing Ukraine, makes an appearance on America's Got Talent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKJw1K3PA8Y

I read that the HIMARS video was created by the same folks that did the Sir David Attenborough BBC Planet Earth parody about the Javelin Missile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_INS-96zgNE

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bash 09-05-2022 11:42 AM

I found this video today, it's an American foreign fighter in Ukraine recording his first mission on a helmet mounted GoPro. I found it pretty interesting. Also game-wise I see this as basically the day to day life of T2K characters.

https://youtu.be/5_HupFPE3io

Normal combat footage warnings apply, NSFW etc.

pmulcahy11b 09-05-2022 01:09 PM

The Ukrainians have integrated HARMs onto their MiGs, with mixed success:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqY9CDsOpvk

bash 09-05-2022 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b (Post 92890)
The Ukrainians have integrated HARMs onto their MiGs, with mixed success:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqY9CDsOpvk

I have been really amused by coverage about adapting US/NATO systems to Ukraine's equipment. Commentators act as if adapting NATO weapons to WP equipment is some brand new concept no one has ever tried before. Former Soviet satellites have been working to integrate old WP tech and NATO tech for thirty years.

I don't say that to disparage the Ukrainians at all, they obviously have the tech talent to do the work. I'm 100% sure they've gotten a lot of advice from all their Eastern European NATO neighbors about sticking NATO systems on their WP equipment. Between such advice and their own ingenuity they've pulled some impressive feats. I'm just amused at the breathless commentary from YouTubers.

pmulcahy11b 09-06-2022 07:27 AM

One of the interesting items I noticed from the cockpit shots was the use of a Garmin commercial GPS receiver in a jury-rigged mount.

As far as mixing the use of Russian and Western equipment, look to the Indians, who do that on a regular basis. They buy systems from everyone, and mix and match as they see fit.

swaghauler 09-06-2022 05:25 PM

Perun's Weekly Powerpoint
 
Here's Perun's weekly PowerPoint on the Ukraine War discussing logistics and other issues.

https://youtu.be/ce5TR-qWCk4

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swaghauler 09-06-2022 05:29 PM

Strategic Aims of the Ukrainian Offensive
 
Here is Peter Zeihan's take on the strategic goals of the counter-offensive. While I don't always agree with Mr. Zeihan, he does make a lot of valid points and his economic expertise is far beyond my own.

https://youtu.be/Tb3U9Ydiw64

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