Mini-gun on a Humvee?
Is the weopons mount on the Humvee able to accept the mini-gun out of the Small Arms Guide?
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IIRC The minigun is listed in game as needing a NATO heavy tripod, which is what the pintle mount is equivalent to. I think :)
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It takes an hard-top or armored HMMWV to mount a weapon. The mount itself (assuming it doesn't have one of the newer turret-type mounts or a CROWS station) is sort of a universal mount -- what weapon you can put on it depends on that type of pintle is attached to the mount.
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The M134 was trialled in the Vietnam war mounted on an M113. Although extremely effective, it was quickly decided not to use it in this manner due to the extreme wastage of ammunition.
It was like firing 10 M60's all at the one target point - nothing left, but it only takes one bullet to do the job, not hundreds.... I'd say let your players mount it but don't tell them just how much ammo they're about to chew through with little real result. You might also want to pay attention to the feed system - if they don't have one, then they're likely to run into problems with snagged belts, stretched links (when the belts snag), the need to reload every second action, etc, etc, etc Mounted on a tripod in a stationary role should eliminate most of the feed issues (provided they've had time to lay out a few thousand rounds and don't need to swing the weapon around too much), but they'll still be firing way more ammo than they need to to get the job done. |
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It occurs to me that during the battle of Mogadishu, the Rangers in those Humvees roaring through the streets probably could have used miniguns to suppress all the snipers and gunmen blazing away at them from every window, doorway, rooftop, and alley way. Maybe the ranges were too close for the MK-19 and maybe the M2HB fired too slow... of course, with the M2HB "cover" stopped being an issue. That thing pretty much shoots through schools. But still, the objective may be more about suppressing the enemy's fire than necessarily killing them. And yes, I realize that killing them sure as shit suppresses their fire. I'm just saying that when fighting guys whose total experience with miniguns may only be watching Terminator 2 and Predator, perhaps the weapon will be effective as suppressing them just because they are intimidated by the volume of fire and the sound it makes. A. Scott Glancy, President TCCorp, dba Pagan Publishing |
I'd like to elaborate a bit on what Scott has posted. I've actually been inside one of those M113 Minigun Tracks. This one was an M113 ACAV that had been upgunned with the M134 sitting where the 50 used to be and with a 50 cal on a pintle mount where the M60's used to be. The trak belonged to a combat MP unit that specialized in convoy escort. The trak commander told me that while they could put out the firepower, the ammo usage was tremendous.
I saw what he meant when I looked inside and saw nothing but ammo boxes stacked all over the place. The M113 was a rolling ammo bunker with none of the real protection. That's the real downside of one of these mothers. I guarantee you that once the enemy becomes aware of what you got, they will throw everything at you from ATGM's to flaming monkey poo. Out Here, Frank Frey |
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Another thing not covered is overpenetrating a human body, something that becomes very important in CQB when there are civilians mixed in with the bad guys or if police are fighting bad guys in the same situation. I'll admit I have no good ideas about how to handle that one. |
I hope your players have lots of ammunition and don't mind lots of recoil throwing their shots off target
http://shock.military.com/Shock/vide...=3&ESRC=dod.nl |
I think that video adequately shows the problem with mounting the weapon on a flexible platform....
At least with a tracked vehicle such as the M113, you're barely going to see that effect. Of course the ammo wastage is still going to be a big issue... |
Keep in mind, that second video (from military.com) is a FIFTY CAL. Holy crap! It's the GAU-19/A - here is wikipedias page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-19
Never knew we had a .50 gatling gun, wow! The 7.62 doesn't have much recoil, but it will go through an INSANE amount of ammo. Can't imaging anyone in the Twilight world having access to that amount of ammo, realistically. |
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Hmmm, add in a few stabilisers such as you see on cranes and you've got yourself a concept. :p
Not sure if a Humvee could carry enough ammo though. :( |
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I think I've solved the limited magazine problem - trailer mount it with a flexible (and powered) link to the weapon.
Same basic concept as the old Crocodile flamethrower tank. :p |
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Send photos when you've completed your proof-of-concept prototype! |
Oh no! Now I've started thinking!
25mm gatling with a flame thrower coaxial and trailer mounted ammo supply! |
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http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki..._VW_Type_1.jpg To me it seems like any type of aiming system would be very problematic. I have seen some anecdotal evidence of an attempt to mount one on an LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion) where it would have been used as a shore support weapon. edit wiki link to modified weapon GAU-13. It does suggest the possibility of mounting a four barreled version on some type of LAV. |
Wow, I hadn't realised just how big it was :) Maybe a VW flinging catapult would be a better option.....
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Absolutely brutalised itself!
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hey if antenna's got stats for a cow flinging trebuchet, how about stats for flaming monkey poo? |
@ Legbreaker - The Barley Pickers as NPC's? They could be mechanics in a village somewhere, spending all their time making homemade siege engines of death!
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Oh god no! :O
Can you imagine the carnage!? :D |
Two rival villages, fighting over scarce resources. One led by the Barley Pickers, the other led by Colonel Dick and the Brothers in Arms. It'd make the TDM look like a cracked window.....
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They're two of the most successful and entertaining teams from Scrapheap Challenge here in the UK. The Barley Pickers were a group of farmers and the Brothers in Arms were a team of brothers who were all (I think) in the army. Colonel Dick was the eldest and was either REME or Royal Engineers, can't remember which.
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And now, after years of suspense, we give you the Barley Pickers and their "Car Flinger"!
To give you an idea of scale, the A frame is made from telegraph poles, and the car they're throwing is a Mini. It was built by four men in twenty hours. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...002_cf/004.jpg http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...002_cf/005.jpg http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...lo-mo_ws01.gif The, umm, "safety chain" snagged and it couldn't handle the stresses... http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...002_cf/010.jpg http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...002_cf/011.jpg http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~ga...002_cf/012.jpg |
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:) - C. |
Well back on the origional topic...for now.
I've got the Osprey book on Special Operations Patrol Vehicles and inside they have a couple of images of a HMMWV packing a Minigun. Alededly they are used for counter ambush when running in a convoy. The guns themselves are geared to only 2,000~3,000 rpm so you arn't shooting 100 rounds a second but it still eats ammo like a hog. Apparently someone remembered that gunmen who will stay and fight against a M2HB will run from a minigun. They found that out after mounting miniguns on PBR in Vietnam. the only real issue with a minigun besideshow much ammo it uses is that it has limited penitration compared to a Ma Duce. |
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