Favorite Shotgun
 

Ditto. What's your favorite shotty?

I think the Pancor Jackhammer is the most interesting -- it's not only automatic, you can turn the ammo cassette into an antipersonnel mine!

The Mossberg was the one I selected. Why, because it's the only one from the list I've actually shot (although I think it was the 590).

H&K CAWS. What a concept.

Favorite Shotgun that should have been
 

I always wanted to find a way to convert a H & K CAW into a belt-fed support weapon. Mounted on a vehicle's pintle mount, I think it would be a very good, short-range anti-ambush weapon.

I chose Other because although I would happily pick the Pancor Jackhammer and the HK CAWS, I can't decide between the two although I lean towards the Jackhammer because you didn't need specialist ammunition for it.
While I've had some slight experience with shotguns I have no idea what it was except that it was a friend's under/over trap gun and the only other one I've used was another friend's Winchester Ranger pump-action.

Jackahmmer! I read an article about those in the mid 80s and it was just plain cool! And the issue of rounds melting in the chamber from fast firing which the SEALS complained of using their Ithiaca M37s.

As for now with real weapons the Benneli is sweet! And one of my scouts who barely stood 5 feet tall could handle a 12 gauge well enough at the range. As for pump guns, the Remington 870 is good to go! Although I am cool with the 590 too.

And lets not forget the SPAS, it is cool! the only shotgun that can do semi auto and pump!

But for the T2K world, the SPAS! the cool factor, the high mag capacity and ease of use of assorted ammo.

Not to mention that it was used by Arnold in the Terminator movie.

Despite its use by my boss, I will not hold that against it, its not the weapons fault it was used by an inept leftist fraud.

Real life Politics aside (as they should probably be on this forum). IMO No one actor had more cool weapons in their movies than Arnold. The Long slide with laser, the M214, the Spas-12 to name just a few.

I thought Arnie is a Republican? Do you have leftist Republicans? I obviously still have much to learn about US politics.

Oh, and I'm happy to be educated via private message. I'm not looking to start any politically motivated flame wars here.

I thought that was the M134? :confused:
Same prop as was used in Predator.

Good call.

source:http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title...nigun_Handheld

I have seen that in print incorrectly at least three times. Wow even my copy of "Guns Guns Guns" which I revere, got that one wrong.

I thought the weapon in Predator was the M214. It is 5.56mm. Either way a person carrying around and firing from the hip a 6-barrelled gatling gun is a pretty unlikely and crazy idea but the M-134 is 7.62 and I think that firing it without it being mounted on a vehicle or a tripod wouldn't just be unlikely, it would probably be impossible.

Perhaps we should look on the Internet Movie Firearms Database and see if it tells us?

Edit: Just realised that Kato got there first. Thanks, I stand corrected.

Beat you to it :p

A seriously kick ass weapon if ever there was one, but totally bullshit as far as reality goes.

But how many of us can honestly say we haven't had a moment of munchkinism and WANTED ONE soooo bad it hurt?

Guns^3 calculated the recoil of the 5.56mm version at 95 kilograms. (Slightly less if using AP ammo). As a GM I am thinking that holding it and directing fire of the 7.62mm version would be like benching over 150 kilos. You would also have to be braced against something mighty strong or you would be knocked to the ground.

I only allowed the M214 to be used once in a Dark conspiracy game when a heavy weight boxer had taken two levels of alien cybernetic enhancement for a 12 total strength.

Spas 12 was my favourite ever since I saw it in (I think?) the V1 Small Arms Guide. (If it wasn't there it must have been on Paul's site).

You know what we really need? A belt-fed shot-machinegun!

IIRC, Futureweapons had a piece on a steel-bodied, shotgun that I believe was fully automatic. They had it rigged up to MRAP vehicle mounts and a bomb squad-type robot.

The new Benelli that the Marine Corps is adopting looks seriously sweet but it's a little too new for the v1.0 timeline.

SPAS-12 and the Benelli semi-auto that Alec Baldwin used in The Getaway remake. Either one is capable of some serious damage.....

Then Cyberpunk 2020 is the game for you! IIRC there is a 6-barelled, binary propellant, 10 gauge gatling shotgun in that game called the CLAWS. I think in the description it said that the sound of firing it included notes like tearing metal.

ahh the shotgun
 

I must go for :

double barreled sawed off 10gauge shotgun - 1 buck and 1 slug - I usually carry 2 of them. Low bulk, but packs a hell of alot of damage.

the ultimate player-character-slayer - sadly the last time I used it only 1 of the barrels worked - RIP GP -

Sawn off 120mm cannon.

Shame they never made the 120mm Flechette round (in the timeline) or you really might have something.

What about a bag of nails launched by a powder charge?

I'll go with the M198A1 155mm howitzer in the horizontal postion with a beehive round!

TOP THAT SUCKERS!

Did they make beehive for the 203mm?

I'm going to have to go with the Winchester M1897 Trench gun.

Five round tubular magazine with one in the chamber for six.

Pump shotgun, with an exposed hammer, so you can carry a round in the chamber and easily see whether the weapon is cocked, hence whether the weapon is safe.

Allegedly you can hold the trigger down and work the slide to fire very very fast (but with little accuracy).

You can attach a bayonet, specifically the M1905 Bayonet, which is a good long pig sticker for those times you blunder into someone in the dark.

It has a magazine release button on it that allows the entire tubular magazine to be emptied in the blink of an eye. A safety feature oddly absent on all modern shotguns. The only way to unload tube magazine shotguns is by manually working the slide or action, which can result in an accidently discharge if you are the village idiot... or just unlucky.

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Actualy you can empty a tube from a shotgun without feeding them through the chamber.

Flip the weapon upside down, push the feeding lever up and depress the lever that holds the shells in place and pop, pop, pop, out come the shells pretty fast.

That depends on the weapon in question. I've handled (and own one) where that is physically impossible. The only way to unload without stripping the weapon to it's component parts is to cycle the rounds through the chamber and out the ejection port.

Shoot. I forgot about that. I just checked and yes, it worked on my Mossberg 500.

But you have to admit that this is a fairly clumsy operation, and it still only gets the shells out one at a time.

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Then you're doing it wrong ;)

You can do it one by one, but with a little practice you can hold the tong or whatever that part is down and pop pop pop, they come out with the force and pressure of the spring and fingers can be hit if you aren't careful. I will have to practice when I get home, I haven't even had my shottys out in a couple years let alone loaded or fired them.

I did some calculus on the M214 couple of years ago and came to a resoult that IF a 200 ibs man would fire a M214 with normal .223 ammo he must stand in a somewhere 45 to 55 degrees angel to the ground. Movies have a tremendous inpact on players when they wish for weapons... Lasers, Gauss, Plasma for they specially designed T2k soliders... Sniper rifles with three barrels so they can shot with the best bullet there is for the best range there is and the weight is nothing more then for a M24.

Antenna

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Rant on Munchkintosis along players...
DS

muchkinosis
 

Find most munchkinesqe player with loudest demands - allow everything but be really hard on demanding accurate gear sheet.(Alot of work writing)
Then fudge an attack roll from NPCs and stray bullet to head w critical hit and instant death.Enemy then loots all gear and turns it against party .

aahhh...

I'm gonna be a big dirty heretic again and give props to Izmash's Saiga. Kalashnikov manual of arms and engineering. 8-round detachable magazine that's roughly the same profile as a 30-round AK-47 mag and only a bit thicker, so it'll fit in at least some ComBloc LBE. Felt recoil is, at least to me, appreciably lower than the other 12ga semi-autos I've shot. Some timeline fiddling might be required to make them available in the 1.0/2.0/2.2 Twilight Wars, though maybe not - I'm not sure of the exact start of production date but they were being built for export at least as early as 2001.

Barring that, Remington 870. Spare parts are everywhere and a pump gun sometimes will cycle stuff that will choke an autoloader.

- C.

Hehehe I know but there are times in your GM life where there only are Munchkins to get playing T2k. But a warning sign for that you have a munchkin in you group can be that you have a "normal" weapon pack is that it as follows :
M3 Carl Gustaf attached to a M214 with three laser forming the predator three sign and four sights fired either from the hip or the shoulder and said from the munchkin "It can be done" :D

Antenna

small gun
 

and of course -that is his small gun..

We always debate and bicker about munchkinosis in our group.Mostly it goes well ,but sometimes the antimaterial rifles come out ..I had one PC use one .I said it had a 4 feet muzzle flash .It was night .He continued firing .The enemy taken casualties concentrated their fire on the area of the flash.

He took a .50 bmg to one arm and could not be found by medics in the dark.PC bled to death.

Not so many carrying the antimaterial rifle as primary weapon now..

A fine balance to keep up interest and still make a little realism...

The best with munchkins are that mostly lack all kind of social skills so if you blend in some social duality for example that NPCs lye every 2nd turn they munchkins are lost in a maze of cat and mouse of where to go and who to thrust. The best part is that if you can keep smiling you can really turn the munchkins head into some paranoid version of Kafka like game.

Antenna

If I had the budget for a new shotgun, I might go with the Saiga. The older I get, the more I appreciate the Kalashnikov approach to firearms.

My vote, though, is for the Mossberg 500. It's what sits in my gun safe and what goes to the range with me. I like simple and reliable, like my SKS and my .357 revolver.

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