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tsofian 12-05-2018 06:12 AM
Storage within a base was Cost of a Base
 
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Originally Posted by dragoon500ly (Post 80020)
Just a thought (quit your crying!!)

Has anybody ever given thought to how supplies would be stored in the various tunnel(s) of our hypothetical base?

Arguments can be made that for efficient utilization of space, pallets would be stacked high and tight. Disadvantages to this is that the entire tunnel would have to be frozen, running a risk of everything be damaged if anything causes the tunnel to lose integrity.

Another option is to carefully pack everything into modified shipping containers, fitted with individual cryo units. Disadvantages would include per unit cost, as well as the necessary increased size of tunnels to allow for the easy storage and access to needed supplies.

So let's look at this broadly
What is being stored? How long will it need to be stored? What conditions are required for storage during that period? Is it a cache or a bolt hole or a full on base?

dragoon500ly 12-05-2018 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tsofian (Post 80022)
So let's look at this broadly
What is being stored? How long will it need to be stored? What conditions are required for storage during that period? Is it a cache or a bolt hole or a full on base?
Base only, could be a regional supply or a command. As for items stored...everything and anything necessary for operations.

I actually can see a mix of both types of storage, hard-earned pallets capable of being stacked four pallets high for bulk, durable goods (i.e. toilet paper), storage containers stacked two of these high for items like spare electronics, replacement tires, etc. Separate storage for ammunition.

dragoon500ly 12-05-2018 09:21 AM
Let me propose this for a storage tunnel;

25-meter diameter "pipe" in the middle for two-way traffic flow, offset at 45-degree angles (facing towards the entrance, for ease of loading/unloading) are square bays, each measuring 50-meters deep, 20-meters high, and 30-meters wide (this should allow a maximum of 2 shipping containers deep, 2 high and 3 wide, with inspection passages around each set), each bay separated by, say a 15-meter thick plug of rock (for support).

If I have the sizes right, you are looking at 12 standard shipping containers or 96 pallets (these could be stacked up 4 high) on warehouse racks.

mmartin798 12-05-2018 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by dragoon500ly (Post 80028)
Let me propose this for a storage tunnel;

25-meter diameter "pipe" in the middle for two-way traffic flow, offset at 45-degree angles (facing towards the entrance, for ease of loading/unloading) are square bays, each measuring 50-meters deep, 20-meters high, and 30-meters wide (this should allow a maximum of 2 shipping containers deep, 2 high and 3 wide, with inspection passages around each set), each bay separated by, say a 15-meter thick plug of rock (for support).

If I have the sizes right, you are looking at 12 standard shipping containers or 96 pallets (these could be stacked up 4 high) on warehouse racks.
You are off someplace. I have included a scale drawing.

dragoon500ly 12-05-2018 11:50 AM
Thanks! Knew something was off, just couldn't track what

But your layout looks a lot more workable, especially for a supply base!.

mmartin798 12-05-2018 12:20 PM
The numbers on that drawing assume your two container high stacking. Given that they are only about 2.6m tall, you could stack 9 high in the 25m tall cell. Given that the stack weight limits are about 200 tonne and the max weight of a single is almost 31 tonne, you can get them 6 tall, leaving lots of head space and tripling the numbers I show.

Gelrir 12-05-2018 05:38 PM
You're going to need some heavy-duty container carrying vehicles or forklifts for moving containers off the stacks to whatever vehicle, and (eventually) some sort of highway or off-road vehicle to move the containers to wherever they're needed.

Slightly more degree-of-difficulty, but more automated: an entirely overhead-crane system, with tracks leading out of the side chambers to the central tunnel.

"Bechtel -- a proud but minor subsidiary of Morrow Industries!"

All of this also implies lubricants, hydraulic fluids, tires and other spares and repair facilities for the vehicles.

--
Michael B.

dragoon500ly 12-05-2018 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gelrir (Post 80039)
You're going to need some heavy-duty container carrying vehicles or forklifts for moving containers off the stacks to whatever vehicle, and (eventually) some sort of highway or off-road vehicle to move the containers to wherever they're needed.

Slightly more degree-of-difficulty, but more automated: an entirely overhead-crane system, with tracks leading out of the side chambers to the central tunnel.

"Bechtel -- a proud but minor subsidiary of Morrow Industries!"

All of this also implies lubricants, hydraulic fluids, tires and other spares and repair facilities for the vehicles.

--
Michael B.
For a larger supply base, probably a dozen or so carrying vehicles, another dozen or so forklifts and some type of overhead crane system for the pallets/smaller containers.

The vehicles could be scattered in three vehicle bays (at the beginning, middle and end of the tunnel). I can see the end of tunnel vehicle bay being used as a maintenance point.


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