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Louied 05-04-2021 06:20 PM

U.S. Army 1980's
 
I figured I would start a new thread considering the amount of information I am finding
@Shrike6

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...173975I006.pdf

shrike6 05-04-2021 06:37 PM

I think thats a great idea.

Louied 05-04-2021 06:51 PM

@shrike6
It looks like that chart is from 1986/87 and it also lists the Berlin Bde as 199th

shrike6 05-04-2021 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Louied (Post 87697)
@shrike6
It looks like that chart is from 1986/87 and it also lists the Berlin Bde as 199th

It makes me wonder. There is nothing in the lineage of either bde that shows that actually happening though. I wonder if there wasnt a plan to reflag the Berlin Bde because the bde had no combat history something similar to the School Bde/6th ADA Bde being reflagged to 30th ADA Bde and it didnt happen because the cold war ended. maybe it would have happened if the bde had transformed to AOE configuration?

Louied 05-04-2021 09:21 PM

Chief of Staff Army Total Army Analysis 1992 Force Program Decision Briefing

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...025463I001.pdf

Apparently the Army did one of these "Program Objective Memorandum" biennially for review by the Office of SECDEF.

Again the above document should be read in conjunction with this:

https://history.army.mil/html/books/...H%2040-1-1.pdf

Chapters 1 & 2

Louied 05-04-2021 09:26 PM

@shrike6

Any thoughts on why V Corps is getting two additional ACRs ?

chico20854 05-05-2021 08:46 AM

There are also the annual historical summaries, at https://history.army.mil/html/booksh...ct/dahsum.html

chico20854 05-05-2021 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louied (Post 87694)
I figured I would start a new thread considering the amount of information I am finding
@Shrike6

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...173975I006.pdf

I have a hard copy of this, or an updated version, around here somewhere....

Louied 05-05-2021 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chico20854 (Post 87712)
I have a hard copy of this, or an updated version, around here somewhere....

Chico, please I hope you do! I have the researcher at the Ridgeway Library looking for a 1989-90 version. I’m also looking for an updated, again for 1989-90, force allocation chart.

shrike6 05-05-2021 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louied (Post 87702)
@shrike6

Any thoughts on why V Corps is getting two additional ACRs ?

Not sure, I could understand one additional. The expectation that the Blackhorse might not be in the best of shape after the initial Soviet thrust thru Fulda. As for two, no idea.

Also interesting is the 199th uses the infantry Bde symbol and not mech Bde. Another is Indiana was scheduled to get an SF aviation battalion.

Louied 05-05-2021 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrike6 (Post 87725)
Not sure, I could understand one additional. The expectation that the Blackhorse might not be in the best of shape after the initial Soviet thrust thru Fulda. As for two, no idea.

Also interesting is the 199th uses the infantry Bde symbol and not mech Bde. Another is Indiana was scheduled to get an SF aviation battalion.

Didnít the Berlin Bde have three Inf Bns scaled as Air Assault J-Series Inf but each with a Coys worth of M-113s? IIRC the Tank Coy jumped from 14 to 22 around 1989.

3catcircus 05-05-2021 03:28 PM

So,

Has anyone ever done a comparison of the 1989 NATO and PACT forces to their in-game assignments and how does it compare to this info at the army's historical website archive?

chico20854 05-26-2021 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Louied (Post 87713)
Chico, please I hope you do! I have the researcher at the Ridgeway Library looking for a 1989-90 version. Iím also looking for an updated, again for 1989-90, force allocation chart.

Ok, I found it in the deep archives... the crawl space. The full poster (effective date: October 1990) is about 3 feet wide and 2 feet long, so I had to piece it together from multiple scans on my dinky home printer/scanner. It's here and while it isn't pretty it is complete.
When I get back to the office and a full-sheet scanner I'll get a nicer version done, including the notes on the back.

Enjoy!

Louied 05-27-2021 07:37 AM

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Thanks Chico! Keep it coming! Does that chart also have the Brigades on the back ?

I recently bought this book and it is excellent ....

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The author served in 3 ACR, I was told by him that the 3 ACR's POMCUS stock was in Kaiserslautern at least until 1984, which jives with the Force Allocation chart showing 3 ACR being CAPSTONED to V Corps.

I also found this, one page paper, unknown date, regarding POMCUS. I am figuring late 1980's.....Chico, Shrike your thoughts ?

Olefin 05-27-2021 09:21 AM

Love seeing posts like this Chico as one of the big problems for writing is to get the Orbats right if you are trying to go back in time and get a realistic unit set up - i.e. versus just picking designations and such out of thin air

Louied 05-30-2021 07:13 AM

28 ID circa 1985/86:

Reassignment of 28 ID CAPSTONE Mission
https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...99MN002646.pdf

CAPSTONE Alignment of 28 ID
https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...53MN005829.pdf

Louied 05-30-2021 07:20 AM

CAPSTONE 1980/81:

Memo regarding 1982 CAPSTONE Alignments based on the new version of the European Time Phased Force Deployment Data (can anyone opine on this ?)

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...37MN000781.pdf

The Army CAPSTONE Program 1980

https://emu.usahec.org/alma/multimed...85MN000410.pdf

Louied 06-06-2021 05:53 PM

Dept of Defense Appropriations for 1982. POMCUS starts on page 512 of the document, alot is redacted but you can read between the lines.

https://www.google.com/books/edition...J?hl=en&gbpv=0


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