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raketenjagdpanzer 04-11-2013 04:29 PM

Per canon, this is how bad Warsaw gets it.
 
Just in case you were running Ruins of Warsaw, and wanted to see what a Trident-II D-5 spread would do to a modern city.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?t...e6db5d80a60135

Two of the blasts virtually overlap, so varying damage there is irrelevant, which is why there's no 6th blast ring.

Also not shown are the sites where warheads hit "military units to the southeast"

Cdnwolf 04-11-2013 04:47 PM

Using your scenario it looks like the Vistula river takes a direct hit... I wonder what effect it had on the river?

Raellus 04-11-2013 04:52 PM

Thanks for posting the link, Rak. I'm starting a unit on the Cold War with my 11th graders next week and I'll be using the nukemap to show them what a nuke could do to their hometown. I'll think that'll get them interested.

As for RoW, clearly, the authors did not do their homework. That's something a well-informed GM could adjust for his/her campaign.

Tegyrius 04-11-2013 05:07 PM

In their defense, a lot of that homework was a lot harder to do thirty years ago.

- C.

Raellus 04-11-2013 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tegyrius (Post 54081)
In their defense, a lot of that homework was a lot harder to do thirty years ago.

Very true. My statement reads a lot harsher than it was intended.

raketenjagdpanzer 04-11-2013 08:33 PM

1.5 megaton ground-burst at MacDill AFB, Tampa, FL USA:

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?l...&zm=11&kt=1500

Tampa Bay has an average depth of approximately 3m (12ft); it isn't mentioned but given the overpressure from the explosion it is likely a great portion of the bay would, for a few moments, cease to exist. Much of it would be flash-vaporized and fall on the rest of Hillsborough County and points west and northwest as heavy water rain fallout. Seawater rushing back in after the initial detonation would hit the sun-hot surface of the tarmac and flash into even more radioactive steam.

The comment in...I want to say it's Howling Wilderness? Or may be another module...about exotic wild animals that had "escaped from a theme park"? Yeah, Busch Gardens, Tampa is about 5 miles from the outer edge of the blast. Those animals would be dead within a day from the 3rd degree burns they'd suffered. If not, then from fallout, and failing that from starvation if they were locked in enclosures.

Matt Wiser 04-11-2013 08:47 PM

MacDill was an air burst, according to HW.

raketenjagdpanzer 04-11-2013 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Wiser (Post 54090)
MacDill was an air burst, according to HW.

Okay; for some reason I thought they caught a ground burst.

Jason 04-11-2013 09:37 PM

Is there a way to show an air-burst? Seems like most of the U.S. targets were air-bursts.

EDIT: Did a little research and found out this info about the simulator.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homeland Security Watch
Recently the web saw the emergence of a new online nuclear detonation simulator: NUKEMAP.

Created by Alex Wellerstein, a historian of science at the American Institute of Physics and blogger at “Restricted Data The Nuclear Secrecy Blog,” this simulator is the best example of an admittedly small class of apps. It allows one to pick the target and yield of the device, either through drop down boxes or by entering unique values. For the sake of simplicity, it defaults with an idealized air burst which eliminates the computational messiness of modeling the influence of unique geography and weather.

This is good to know. Near my own hometown, Omaha, Ne is Offut AFB.

http://www.nuclearsecrecy.com/nukema...&zm=11&kt=1500

raketenjagdpanzer 04-12-2013 12:17 AM

Omaha would probably catch more than a few overlapping bursts; maybe a spread from SS-25-Ns (which would be "good" because those would "only" be 100kt warheads - 4 of 'em) but more likely had a couple or 3 ICBMs - SS18s or a laydown pattern from an SS-19 or two (up to 550mt each warhead, up to 6).

raketenjagdpanzer 04-12-2013 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cdnwolf (Post 54079)
Using your scenario it looks like the Vistula river takes a direct hit... I wonder what effect it had on the river?

If they were airbursts, other than temporarily boiling away much of the water, not much. If they were groundbursts, they'd slightly divert the river into the new "ponds" created by blast craters.

Jason 04-12-2013 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 54093)
Omaha would probably catch more than a few overlapping bursts; maybe a spread from SS-25-Ns (which would be "good" because those would "only" be 100kt warheads - 4 of 'em) but more likely had a couple or 3 ICBMs - SS18s or a laydown pattern from an SS-19 or two (up to 550mt each warhead, up to 6).

Oh, I agree with you, but I am going by the target list in the 2.2 rule book.

WallShadow 04-15-2013 06:44 PM

"only" 100kt
 
raketenjagdpanzer made mention of some minor warheads of 100kt--I guess it's all in how they are placed.
Doing some calculating with NukeMap program, I could sever land travel betweem most of the Northeast from the Midwest by nuking about 20 bridges.That's about 5 or 6 MIRV'd ICBMs with a few left over for double-taps or insurance against misfires, right?

Now that may not seem as vital as the refinery capacity or weapons plants, but when you also consider that the rivers themselves would suffer a lot from the bridge debris, hindering any barge traffic attempting to bypass the bridges, it all adds up to a big logistical mess.

raketenjagdpanzer 04-15-2013 07:35 PM

In light of today's events i would like to emphatically state that this is simulation data generated for a role-playing game based on an historical period that no longer exists.

Cdnwolf 04-15-2013 08:14 PM

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/boston-mara...8459--spt.html

simonmark6 04-16-2013 03:30 PM

My sympathies go out to everyone affected by this tragedy.

Schone23666 04-22-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 54078)
Just in case you were running Ruins of Warsaw, and wanted to see what a Trident-II D-5 spread would do to a modern city.

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?t...e6db5d80a60135

Two of the blasts virtually overlap, so varying damage there is irrelevant, which is why there's no 6th blast ring.

Also not shown are the sites where warheads hit "military units to the southeast"

One word: OUCH.


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