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Old 12-03-2008, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LAW0306
Very impossable amount of time since they have a brown water navy with no ampibios lift to speak of...they have no school to train officers at the higher levels or plan on how to use them...
While I am not saying that China is a MAJOR sea-lift capable country. The statements that they have "no ampibios lift to speak of" and "or plan on how to use them" are false.

According to the Wiki entry:

China currently maintains an inventory of smaller vessels with limited sea lift capacity. The recent construction of large dock landing ships indicates the shift toward blue water operations. The Yuzhou class LPD represents a major step forward in the Chinese plan for a blue water navy.

Classes of ships

Amphibious Transport Dock (LPD)

* 1 Type 071 Yuzhao class

Landing Ship Tank (LST)

* 7 Type 072 Yukan class
* 9 Type 072II Yuting I class
* 9 Type 072III Yuting II class (+ more building)

Landing Ship Medium (LSM)

* ~31 Type 079 Yuliang class
* 13 Type 074 Yuhai (Wuhu-A) class
* 3 Type 073 I/II/III class
* 11 Type 073 IV Yunshu class

Landing Craft (Mechanized/Personnel/Utility/Vehicle)

* 100 Type 271 Yupen class
* 200~300 Type 067 Yunnan class
* 30+ Type 068/069 Yuch'in class
* 10+ NEW Yubei class twin hull high capacity LCU

Troop Transports

* 4 Qiongsha class

Hospital Ships

* 2 Qiongsha class

Additional Sea Lift

* Large numbers of reserved and retired landing ships and craft.
* In wartime, can utilize civilian transport ships of various types.
* Several small air cushion LCVPs that serve from LSTs.
* Air Force and Army services operate their own amphibious assets.
* Naval and Army helicopters operating from ships or land bases.


The People's Liberation Navy - Doctrine at
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...n-doctrine.htm
is a pretty good read on the modern Chinese mindset as well.

Also http://www.sinodefence.com has some very good information on it as well.



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Originally Posted by LAW0306
well most battles arnt fought with torpeados now its over the horizon fight 200 to 500 miles away with missles and there guidance...you have to get that close to hit me ..with our asw as good as it is well they wont get close...
A Chinese submarine managed to sneak up undetected on a U.S. aircraft carrier battle group and came within firing range of its torpedoes and missiles. The sub in question is a e Type 039 submarine, Song class, diesel-electric submarine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-121539-3317r/

Then there is the USS Cole, USS Tripoli or USS Princeton. All of which were attacked up close and personal. The Cole by terrorists and the other two were mined during the first Gulf War.

While I'm not saying anything negative about our fine navy, I am saying that we aren't as invulnerable or indestructible as you're trying to make them out to be.



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Last edited by smokewolf; 12-03-2008 at 07:05 AM.