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Old 11-17-2010, 09:24 AM
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BTW I can just see the DMS Boots ending up with Trotters International Trading Co.
"But dell what we going to do with 150,000 sets of boots?!"


Got some numbers for you to crunch on Tanks and APC numbers. Other vehicles I leave to you for the time being, good luck on counting those bedfords! what was the Book on British vehicles you were waiting for?

Main battle tanks
Challenger 2 Estimate numbers 297 (4 regiments of 50 tanks + 1 Training regiment)
In our timeline Challenger 2 was ordered in 1991. Just after the end of the cold war with an initial order of 127 Tanks and a total order of 386. Reflecting the fact the British army maintained only one division in a unified Germany. In the twilight 2000 timeline it is possible that the order would have been larger or that the challenger 2 would have been run alongside challenger 1.
This would been the tank that Vickers defence systems would have been making when war breaks out, how many that Vickers can crank out in Newcastle and Leeds after an emergency order is placed is entirely up to up you. There would be about a divisions worth in Germany in 1995.

Challenger 1 Numbers 372 (7 regiments+ 2 training regiments)

The challenger 1 was in 1979 poised to replace the Chieftain on a one for one basis. Initial orders were completed in 1985, however in 1987 the Regular NATO tank competition “Canadian Army Trophy” was held. The British team fared badly owing to the team, who were unable to practice and unused to the tank, the tanks somewhat rudimentary fire and control system also was to blame. The British team was humiliated by their West German and US rivals. The Ministry of defence decided on that the selection of a new tank was needed. The challenger 1 however proved itself in the gulf war, losing not a single tank to enemy action and dominating their Iraqi Opponents.
The challenger would have been the initial workhorse of the British army in 1997, comprising two of the three armoured divisions. However as time goes on, the challenger 1 would have been seen less and less due to being replaced by either challenger 2 or Chieftain. Initially as tanks are destroyed or require maintenance.

Chieftain Numbers between 850 and 1200 (24 regiments)

In our timeline Chieftain was sold off in massive quantities come 1995. But In the twilight 2000 the chieftain would almost certainly have been needed to equip the newly formed British 2nd Corps and its comprising divisions. This is the tank that would be most common in the United Kingdom Land forces (The command that was responsible for British internal defence) should any armour truly survive the nuclear exchange. One thing you are looking at is the formation of perhaps new regiments for this job.


APC’s/ AFV’s

Warrior MCV-80 1,048 (18 regiments)

The warrior was much like the challenger, designed to replace the Fv-432 APC on a one for one basis in British Army of the Rhine’s armoured Infantry Battalions. Britain’s 1st Corps would have had this as the main transport for armoured infantry at the start of hostilities. The AFV was still being manufactured for export for the army of Kuwait at the start of the war, so replacements would have been possible to manufacture. Once again the amount produced for war replacements will be up to you.

Fv-432 APC (2,228)

Produced in vast amounts for a variety of roles from personal protection to ambulances in the 1960’s, the FV-432 would have been a very common sight amongst British forces during the war. Whilst only used in BR 1 corps in non-APC role, it would have been needed to equip British 2nd corps. As casualties mounted it would have been seen more action. It would have been fairly common site in the United Kingdom.

Saxon APC (320-500)

Ordered in the 1980’s for the 2nd Infantry division, the Saxon was designed as very much a ‘battle taxi' designed to get 2nd Infantry Division into North West Germany very quickly. With ample amounts of FV432 and Warrior, The Newly renamed 2nd Armoured Division would have left the UK equipped with FV432 and its Saxons would have found its new home with internal security duties. It would have been unsuitable for it to be used in the armoured infantry role in the rolling plains of eastern Europe to the minimal amount of protection..
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