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Old 04-28-2011, 05:42 PM
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I wouldn't be so quick to remove the .30-06 calibre weapons as many nations were still fielding the .30-06 M1919 machinegun for vehicle armament into the 1990s (particularly former Commonwealth nations and also Israel).
Having worked logistics where we had non-standard calibers to support, I'm pretty comfortable writing 30-06 and 30 Carbine weapons out of a proposed US inventory, even a last ditch one. Admittedly the timeframe of 2005-2008 in real life isn't the same as Twilight War circa 1997, but I can tell you that in an organization where we had BARs and M1Cs and M1Ds available (and the horsepower to get ammo for all kinds of odd and fun toys), I simply could not source ammunition to train with them from official channels.

As noted previously, the guys in 7th SFG were able to get 30 Carbine but don't know if that was even USGI stocks by that point or commercial purchase specifically for their needs based on working with South American forces where the M1 Carbine was still on issue. (As a point of comparison, we could get military issue Yugoslavian 7.62x39 and Bulgarian 5.45x39 and 7.62x54, and Russian made blanks for all three, but our issue 9mm Makarov pistol ammo was the same Wolf brand commercial stuff anyone can buy at most gun stores. Likewise, our issue 45 ACP ammo was no longer made at government plants, it was all Winchester White Box or TZZ-stamped Israeli stuff.)

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Parts for them were still being supplied from the USA up to 1986 and later (I saw 'new' parts from the US in 1985/86 here in Australia, they probably weren't new manufacture but they were unused or refurbished .30-06 M1919 parts as we were and still are, using them as secondary MGs on our M113s).
I'd venture to guess that was New Old Stock of WW2 vintage, as far as spares go. Maybe Korean War vintage, at the latest.

The US military divested itself of anything in 30-06 very vigorously in the 1970s, clearing Garands and related stuff out of the NG, likewise the 30 Carbines. Which makes sense -- the logic in a major war scenario of trying to support 7.62x51, 5.56mm, 30-06 and 30 Carbine is just crazy.

The only people who sustained WW2 vintage gear as a legacy system was the USN, which did some 7.62x51 conversions of Garands and M1919s, but the Garands ended up with CMP and I suspect their 1919 conversions got shipped to Israel or someone else still using that weapon in 7.62x51.

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.30 caliber Carbine ammo is quite plentiful in the US. I checked with my local Wal-Mart and they had several boxes available, granted its a small Wal-Mart, but you get my drift.
Production to support the commercial market isn't really on par with pallet loads of ammo for military use, though. And a lot of 30 Carbine commercially available here in the US nowadays is foreign imports (awkwardly for T2K a lot is imported from Mexico . . .).

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As far as the State Guard getting their hands on LEA/Federal Agency weapons...wouldn't the agency be retaining such weapons for their own use?
My thinking is that circa 2000, state defense forces and the militia include local law enforcement, members of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, and so on and so forth on one hand, and that anything surplus to requirements in any of those agencies would have been handed over to a military struggling to field even nominally equipped forces.

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I've only been able to confrim SG info through the states of Mississippi and Alabama, members from both confirmed that their source of weapons would be through the state's National Guard Bureaus. A strong case could be argued for the M-16EZs, but Mini-14s.....only as a personal weapon.
Until the plan succumbs to the "no plan survives contact with reality" issue. At that point -- a lot of local law enforcement and state prison systems in that era also liked the Mini-14. Not a great fighting rifle by any stretch of the imagination, but workable -- and back then had the plus of not looking too scary and military, LEA's not having yet warmed to the idea of officers with scary black military weapons in their hands.

I think they'd be dwarfed by M16EZ and real M14s in that role, but I also think they'd find themselves into the inventory, along with stuff like MP5s and Colt 9mm SMGs and other odds and ends federal and local LE fielded.
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