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Old 04-25-2012, 03:09 PM
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And i dont think that they were referring to a Harrier air strike or helo air strike when they say carriers.

By the way thats one thing I have been saying about the so called last fleet in the world being shattered somehow meaning that the USN is finished

The Japanese fleet was shattered at Leyte Gulf - and they still had a bunch of destroyers, cruisers, battleships and yes even carriers in commission after that

Shattered doesnt mean destroyed or almost destroyed - it means that their effectiveness as a fleet has been seriously compromised to where another fleet battle isnt possible - but it leaves more than enough to still be dangerous

So two carriers still very much afloat post Kola disaster in the Med that can launch effective air strikes - not only is it canon (per Med Cruise) and defensible as canon (for the canon defenders) its also very probable based on how many carriers the US had in commission at the time of the Twilight War even if the last main fleet got shattered at Kola as a fleet


And saying we need to use canon for the navy has always been iffy

Look at Last Submarine - according to it only 4 US subs are left by the Kola disaster in June of 1997 - that is definitely not possible no matter what the timeline says and the canon says - if there is one thing GDW screwed up big time its that

I know they needed it for how the Last Submarine Trilogy was written for dramatic effect that this is all there is left of the USN nuke fleet - but there is no scenario where the USN, with all the subs that were in commission or able to be recommissioned back then would lose every nuke sub they had, including all the Ohios as well by mid 1997 - that means all the Ohios are gone BEFORE the war goes nuclear

and saying Soviet nuclear subs were hard to locate - I have a brother in law who was in attack boats for years - when I told him that that he started laughing

what he told me was that to have that many subs lost the Russians would have needed a fleet three to four times as big as what they had - and that to sink all the Ohios they would have needed a new tech that frankly to this day doesnt exist

and having only four NATO subs left operationally by the start of 1997 means that between Turkey, Great Britain, Germany and Norway - who had literally dozens of subs - all they have left after a war that is barely a few months old is four subs

and I know Leg that its a game - but it has to be a believeable one -

now having those kinds of losses happen by mid to late 2000 from multiple losses in nuked ports, breakdowns, etc.. where the boats are sitting in harbors or ports and cant sortie because of that - thats believeable

having the Corpus Christi be the only sub that is operational and that MilGov can get to in time because the others are out of fuel, have breakdowns, took hull damage and cant submerge, have damage to their weapons or sonar systems, are in long term refits in say San Francisco or in Australia and wont be available for months or they are in Korea and cant get home in time

now that is not only believeable but after a four year war - very very possible

so what did my GM do - he ignored canon and when we did the Med Cruise he had us taking spare parts to get a USN nuke sub stuck in Israel operational so she could get home again - and when we did Boomer we did the same - i.e. we didnt stop at some godforsaken beach we pulled into a UK sub base to get repaired and dropped off more parts for another USN sub stuck there as well (we were going there anyway and getting damaged by the French ship just made it more necessary)

heck we didnt even have to find Corpus Christi when we did Last Submarine -the whole module as we played it was to get those torpedoes (and spare parts) at Weymouth so she could sail (she was already in MilGov hands per our GM)

and with all those changes - we had a lot of fun on those three modules and still kept 90 percent or more of it canon as to how they were run
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