[Olefin]

Oh and to sum up yet another reason why Howling Wildnerness has issues, lets point this out:

They couldnt even keep track of the divisions they were having waste away in the space of two pages

On Page 16, the 85th Division is supposedly down to 300 men after absorbing 1000 replacements including 600 from Europe and as of April 2001 is at Fort Beauragard Louisiana

Now lets go to page 18

Here is says as of March 2001 the 85th was absorbed into the 197th and is part of it at Memphis

Meaning they couldnt even keep the story straight over the course of two pages - thats very bad editing and bad editing is indicative of a bad story.

As for reinforcements and those who say they couldnt get troops to the 49th. They got 600 to Louisiana but they couldnt get any to OK for the 49th? Its not that much further - if it was by ship then all they have to do is go up the river and a short overland trip. If it was by train same thing. If by land the same thing. Either you cant get men to the 85th or you get men to both divisions, simple as that.

So a rational military command structure decides you reinforce the 85th that had its head handed to it by a bunch of marauders but not the 49th that fought the Russians to a standstill and are the only armored force left between them and Colorado and is guarding basically the gas for the whole Midwest and Plains states (oh and by the way Colorado too). Ah no.

And the module states that they only used 1400 out of 43,000 men for reinforcements?

Ok so that means we were supposed to believe that MilGov, headed up by the military thas has fought a four year war decides to evacuate that many men, gives away hundreds of tanks, armored vehicles, artillery pieces, etc.., abandons who knows how many airplanes and helos as well to get them home. And then those same leaders who just literally gave away equipment that would take 20 years to rebuild even if they had the power and the factories to build them in order to get those men home, then uses a grand total of 3 PERCENT of them as reinforcements and allows the other 97 PERCENT to desert or go to waste and not use them?

yes its a game - but its a game grounded in reality - and Howling Wilderness is a total deluded fantasy if that is what the orginal authors wanted us to accept without question.

Thats what Chico and the others in the DC group were saying all along, that it was time to put HW and Kidnapped on the shelf and start over again at April of 2001 and make a timeline that made sense.

As for those who said they sat down and war gamed it first, I say this.

If the authors, some of whom either are or were on this board, war gamed a situation where 97 percent of evacuated US troops desert or were allowed to go to waste and they considered that realistic then one of two events happened. Either they either had some serious issues with the US military or they were seriously not thinking straight at the time.

That is not a rational event. Frankly I would believe an alien invasion before I would believe that.

Either the game is a rational one or its not. I loved Paranoia - it was a great game but rational it wasnt. I loved Harpoon - a great game and totally rational. Its high time a rational event replaced the irrationality of the events of Feb thru April of 2001 as portrayed in Howling Wildnernes and Kidnapped and both of them got put on the same shelf with City of Angels - i.e. the rewrite shelf.