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Originally Posted by Adm.Lee
OK. I'm running off a 1989 OB that I pulled off the web (tanknet?) It's as good a source as any other, AFAICT.
I thought the 172nd IB got inflated into the 6th LID? I do see a 3-172 IN, Vermont Guard, believed to be attached to the 10th.
I see a 1-125 FA battalion in the WI NG, in the 57th FA Brigade. I did think the Norway forces looked thin on heavy artillery, so I was thinking at least one FA brigade ought to end up there.
IMC, I was thinking if NATO was serious about an offensive up there, then the 29th LID (not in the USAVG, I believe?), a corps HQ, and some artillery ought to go. Some armor would help, too, but I'm sure that's all going to the real center of action, Germany. Maybe some choppers, instead, for some air-assault action.
[rant] Branching off into Corps HQs and numbers, why on earth are new-raised US HQs numbered so illogically? The existing numbers are all odd numbers, why are the low even numbers ignored? So, *I* think this one ought to be the VI Corps, and the two new corps that go to Germany can be the II and IV. [/rant]
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The 1989 NATO orbat is very good. I like it, but it isn't error free and the authors (pcallahan actually) admits it is still in a working state. I have it downloaded on my work computer (don't tell my corporate overlords.)
1-125th FA is listed as part of the 57th FA WI NG but it is a MN NG unit. It also looks like the authors weren't sure if 3-172nd had a parent unit as of 1989.
here is the unit history from the MN NG site
http://www.minnesotanationalguard.or...T0/history.php
In 1996, it was assigned the Norway mission. I have no idea if there was another NG FA battalion that was previously assigned.
172nd IB was rolled into 6th ID in RL. Then when 6th ID was disbanded during the 90's drawdown and 1st brigade 6th ID was reflagged as 172nd IB. In the 2000s 172nd IB was a Stryker brigade, went to Irag, disbanded again and reactivated as a heavy brigade in Germany and disbanded again.
I used 172nd for my fictitious mountain infantry NG brigade because that number would be available in the T2k world. Although one site, globalsecurity.org I think, mentions that plans were made for a brigade of mountain infantry. And it also appears that there is a RL mountain infantry brigade as of 2006, 86th Infantry Brigade (Mountain) of which 3-172nd is a component.
29th LID does not exist in the T2k US vehicle guide, however if you look at the entry for the 46th Infantry Division, it looks like the authors used the 29th as a template, replaced one of the VA NG brigades with the 92nd IB from Puerto Rico and classified the division as an infantry division (H-series ToE?). Not sure why they did this, maybe they didn't have the information available at the time. But it is more logical to keep the 29th LID and send it to Europe, either Norway or possibly Germany with a rear area security mission as well as keep the 92nd IB in Puerto Rico or possibly Panama?
and if you follow the T2k ToE for LID, then it would have a battalion of light armor, LAV-75/M8 AGS or whatever.
in the end, it is your campaign to do as you see fit. just be careful of those who scream "you can't do that it's not canon"
and yay for slow Fridays.