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Old 07-31-2014, 03:35 PM
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Completely agree with you Ted on both points

CivGov sending those three divisions always made me scratch my head - especially how did they get them there? To get to Yugoslavia means you have to sail thru the Med and past Italy and Greece into very restricted waters - and somehow do this after the USN has been basically destroyed? Especially considering the collection of ships they probably were able to gather by then would have been easy prey for both nations.


Plus you send three divisions to Europe when you have the Mexican Army invading Texas, California and the Southwest? So your own country is under atack by a foreign nation and you send a tank heavy unit like the 42nd to Yugoslavia instead of Texas? Let alone later help torpedo the 5th Army's attack into Texas by having turncoat units join you to avoid having to head to Texas?

Frankly thats the act of a treasonous govt in the pay of the Mexicans not the act of any US Govt.

As for the destruction of the USN - no way that could happen - ok sure maybe if the Russians and Chinese and just about every other navy in the world attacked us. But we have the UK, German, Danish, Norwegian, Canadian, Israeli, Egyptian (US Ally back then remember), Turkish, Romanian, East German and Chinese fleets on our side against a combo of Russia, Greece, Italy and Poland and lose the whole fleet?

Short on fuel and spare parts is one thing - but sunk is totally different.

Have said this before - there is a big difference in how the canon is perceived versus reality. Sure the US took huge casualties when they attacked in the north - but having your fleet shattered versus having it sunk are two totally different things.

The Japanese had their last major fleet in being shattered at Leyte - and they still had over a hundred ships and submarines afloat afterward including major fleet units like battleships, heavy cruisers and carriers - what they didnt have was the ability to control huge areas of the ocean anymore

So having the last major NATO fleet in being shattered doesnt mean that just about every ship got sunk - it means that what they have left cant control the oceans like it used to

And just as a point of reference - the US Pacific Fleet and Chinese fleet put together would have been easily able to handle what the Soviets had in the Pacific and IO

What could really be the reason the USN isnt the force it used to be, besides fuel and spare parts, could be munitions. Take your typical destroyer or cruiser and remove all the missiles (factories arent running so they have shot out their supply) and what do you have left - usually a single gun. Not exactly a ship I want to take into harms way.
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