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Old 11-24-2015, 03:40 PM
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without the Lend Lease the Brits and Soviets lose the war - thats pretty much a fact -

however there is losing a war where you end up totally occupied and under enemy domination - and losing a war where you lose territory and resources and population but still stay independent

If you read what Hitler's goals were he never had the occupation of the entire UK and British Empire as one of those goals or the occupation of all of the Soviet Union

what he wanted was basically the European areas of the Soviet Union and the old German colonies in Africa

if that is what the UK and the Soviet Union would be trying to prevent then yes they could "win" a war against Germany and Italy and Japan without direct US participation as a combatant - however if what you mean by winning is that they defeat the Axis and they surrender that isnt possible - at best they fight them to a draw

and short of actually going to war itself there is no way the US ever would have switched its industrial production enough to give the Allies what they needed to win and actually beat the Axis to a surrender

however they would have given them enough to take the Axis to the negotiation table eventually for an armistice (probably like the one in Korea where the borders are armed camps full of mines and machine gun nests)

in that way the UK and Russians could have "won" the war without us - winning meaning frustrating Hitler's aims and surviving
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