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Originally Posted by RN7

Well you said "decades of Soviet lies and misinformation is gradually being chipped away at by people like Glantz"

Indeed I did. Of course, you left out the context. So I'll put it back in.

Originally Posted by RN7

Originally Posted by RN7
So are you implying that the Soviets (and the Germans) lied about the Eastern Front in the Second World War, and that we should discount the forces listed as being present in the campaigns and battles on the Eastern Front and the casualty rates incurred during them?

I replied with ... "

You seem hell bent on telling me that I said things that I most patently did not say.

I mentioned nothing about whether the Germans lied about their experiences on the Eastern Front at all, ever, anywhere.

As for the Soviets lying. Have you read Glantz and other, less well known, post-89 historians of the Eastern Front?

Did the Soviets dissembled, obfuscate, mislead, misdirect, fabricate and outright lie about much of what actually happened on the Eastern Front and in Russia during the war?

Hell yes.

Which is demonstrably true. If, indeed, you have read the post 1989 works by Glantz and others.

Originally Posted by RN7

But the Germans were fighting the Soviets so they might be better placed to judge whether the Soviets were spinning lies.

Seriously?

I mean, seriously?

ROTFL!

It is well understood, indeed, it was well understood even a couple of decades before Glantz started his publication of work based on the Soviet archives, that the Germans never. ever. had. a. clew. of the actual Soviet numbers. Not before Barbarossa and not at any stage during it.

Heck, the apologist Generals writing for the US at the end of the war admitted as much themselves.

Originally Posted by RN7

I like to read but I also like to analyse what I read and reach my own conclusion.

Interesting that you have come to a conclusion that is not held by pretty much any serious scholar of the topic.

Originally Posted by RN7

So what were the Soviet lies? Were they deceiving everyone about the size of the forces involved in the campaigns on the Eastern Front, their war production figures, their dependency on Lend Lease or their casualty rates?

You haven't read Glantz or any post-89 scholarship, have you?

When Titans Clashed is a good overview, you might like to start there. You evidently wouldn't believe anything I might tell you anyway, so go and read for yourself.

Phil