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Originally Posted by aspqrz

And I think the entire rest of the world is mystified by your train of thought in thinking that a piece of crap that was produced in small numbers at the tail end of the war had of being relevant when the overwhelmingly vast majority of Nazi bomber production was of Medium and Light Bombers which did not have the range to bomb all of the UK. And didn't have the capacity, either.

They produced thousands of He-111s, Do-17s and Ju-88s and ~600 of the failed He-177.

But I thought they built 1,168 He-177's from 1942.

Originally Posted by aspqrz

As for their payload vs. range. You are operating under the common, and charming, delusion that maximum range, or even maximum operational radius, was achievable with maximum bombload.

Nope

Originally Posted by aspqrz

For operation Steinbock, and you evidently read, but failed to comprehend, the Wikipedia article, they carried 5600 kilos, not 13200 kilos.

You also failed to note, or comprehend, that they had a greater than 50% operational failure rate during that campaign … 8 of the 14 (!) committed had to RTB with overheating or burning engines.

A monumental piece of crap.

If you're going to cite a source, at least read and comprehend it all.



Um.

Ah.

From the Wikipedia article …

“Of the 14 He 177 sent out during*Operation Steinbock, one suffered a burst tire, and eight returned with overheating or burning engines. Of the four that reached London, one was lost to night fighters.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_177

Perhaps you didn't actually read the article, or perhaps you felt that no-one else would – or maybe you're just doing what the Soviets did so well …

I think the rest of the world would regard operational failure by 8 of the 14 brand new aircraft committed to be indicative.

And, of the four that managed to reach the target, carrying less than half the maximum bomb load (against London, mind, not the far north of England … unless you seriously expect us to believe that they could have carried more over a longer range?), they suffered 25% casualties.

Like massaging figures much?*

And I did say failed did I not and I never stated what payload they were carrying, but they did reach their target.

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Originally Posted by aspqrz

I hear an echo.

And a failure to understand.

What exactly did you snip?

Oh, only the claim that it had a range of 1556 km.

Now down to 1100 km and still wrong.

The actual operational radius was 800 klicks.

Not from my sources

Originally Posted by aspqrz

Oh deer. How do I know these things?

I read them in Books.

Hint: WW2 ended in 1945.

The Fascist regimes in Spain and Portugal have been gone for several decades.

The things they kept semi-secret during the war are now readily accessible in books that have been published since then. Many of which I have read or consulted.

Perhaps it might be an idea if you widened your reading list?].

But they where still in existence in the Second World War. And yes you can find this information online too its not that hard

Originally Posted by aspqrz

Well, Jets certainly were lethal. Just not German ones.

What happened after WW2 is nice, but irrelevant. As you well know.

The quote I was replying to, carefully excised by you, was … “Also is there some reason why you feel that you have to lecture people about military terms or is it that you just feel that you have a monopoly on knowledge?* “


Which is, of course, irrelevant to what their operational range was … your claim was that, with the fantasy ranges you cited, they could reach all of the UK … you didn't specify from which bases.

And the actual combat radius – half the combat range (or less) – well, you're still quoting the combat range (the one way range) rather than the combat radius (the there and back to base range) … you still haven't grasped it.


Twaddle.

ROTFLMAO level twaddle.

Phil

Well I think Raellus was right about you.