Guys, can we not make this about Americans versus Australians? There's too much parochialism and jingoism going on here. I bowed out of this debate because it was going nowhere and getting ugly. I apologize for my contributions to that.
Since recusing myself from this "debate", I've received complaints from forumites (no one directly involved in this particular thread) about the tone of some of the posts/posters here. Please keep it civil. I stopped posting in this thread because I was finding it too hard to do so. Please apply that to yourselves as well. If you can't follow the forum guidelines, don't post.
http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=2961
If I receive any more complaints about this thread, I'll have to shut it down.