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Originally Posted by Schone23666
Has anyone read up on these two particular movements? Here's a wiki article for those that are interested with general information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovere...tizen_movement
And if you want to watch some amusing (and at times violent) encounters between Sovereign Citizens/Freemen and law enforcement, here's this on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
I believe Swaghauler mentioned he'd had more than a few run-ins with the Sovereign Citizen crowd. Sound like a really fun bunch, especially when they start breaking out the firearms and explosives....
My personal observation....yeah, I get people are frustrated with government, but JIMINY F**KING CHRIST ON A JIMMY STICK, these guys must idolize fellas like Timothy McVeigh. :O If you want to change the political system you have to actually get involved in the political process. These nutballs seem to take an entirely different route.
Yeah, I can definitely see some of these guys forming New America in T2k or some nutball militia in Merc2000....or just being part of any so-called "Sovereign Nation Militia" popping up in some part of America, Australia, the U.K. or elsewhere with their own bizarre interpretation of a republic. |
My experience with the Sovereign Citizens involved repeated run-ins with a handful of said individuals. They really don't like to pay their property taxes and can become violent when you show up to list their property for Sherriff's Sale. I take it VERY PERSONALLY when you point a gun at me! It ended very badly for the man in question...7 to 15 years and a good old fashioned Pittsburgh Street Beating...
They also don't like to show up for court when you cite them for things like driving without a license or insurance. That means your's truly has to go and get them. This can often become an exercise in patience or turn violent very quickly. Especially when they bring up the same BS arguments (which SEVERAL courts have ruled against already) that RN7 brought up in his post (not signing, no service by mail, etc...).
Finally, they don't think the rules of court apply to them (like no video recording devices in the courtroom). Some of these I agree with them on (like letting cameras into the courtroom), but I don't get to make the rules, I only enforce them. It has turned violent on occasion. The druggie who bit me on the bicep was a Sovereign Citizen.
Combine this with the fact that many of them are substance abusers (alcohol, meth, and weed being the most common) with poor decision- making skills, and you can see how much fun the Sovereign Citizens can be.