OK, I will bite. You say that you are not talking about the US, yet keep using the excuses that they use here in the US. When we tell you why they do not work here you seam to be getting defensive. Do they try and use the English Common law? Yes, but as has been stated it does not fly in the US. I do have to say that I have not read up on the movement outside the US, so I can not say if it has much of a following outside the US. Now based on what I think you have been saying there would be one big difference that I am seeing. If I understand you correctly outside the US they are fully within there legal rights, and are not doing anything against the law is that correct? Here in the US they are breaking all kinds of laws. I am not going to get into a debate about if the laws are good or not, they have been found legal by the courts so that is what matters.
Originally Posted by swaghauler View Post
"The terms Police Officer and Peace Officer have very different definitions depending on the state/agency you are referring to. I will refer to PA law in addressing this. In PA, a Peace Officer has only limited powers of arrest based on his office. Constables, Probation Officers, Dog Catchers, and Meter Maids are Peace Officers under PA law. They can only act with limited authority and make arrests within a limited set of circumstances."
RN7
"But they are not really police officers are they?"
I am not sure what you are asking. No they are not, but what he was showing is that Police Officer are not Peace Officers, that you were earlier saying they were. Or at least in the US they are not.
RN7
"... But what I was referring to was that if you are walking down the street and acting in a lawful manner then a Police Officer has no right to bother you unless you are being charged with breaking a law. If you haven't broken a law and the Police Officer knows you haven't broken a law then the Police Officer shouldn't be bothering you."
I guess that depends on what you mean when you say that they have no right to bother you. If you are in the public a Police Officer has every legal right to talk with you, do you have to stop and talk with them? No, do you have to answer there question? Again, no but they do have the right to stop and talk with you, the same as any other person in public. And if when talking with you they see something they can go from just a meet and great to an investigation.
Originally Posted by swaghauler View Post
"Depending on the severity of the crime, I might even enter your house without permission (in the case of a felony). You will then see the Judge to enter a plea and (most likely) a bail will be set. There is NO OPTION in this. You MUST respond to any legal charges presented against you. It doesn't matter whether you choose to sign a document or not. If you do not respond to even a Summons, someone like me will find you and arrest you."
RN7
"Would that not be violating someone's rights under the 4th Amendment?"
No, as when they did not show there is a bench warrant put out for them, so when they are showing up they are arresting them under the warrant.
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