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Originally Posted by CDAT
The man sized I can not say, 1000 meters there sounds about right to me (maybe to far to be honest with any camo). As for vehicles it was a crew effort, driver and Loader normally with no magnification, gunner with the X3 power, and tank commander sometimes with bino's, some times with the Mk. I Eye. If we did not spot them (not ID, but spot) them by about 2500-3000 we were dead, as in they would kill us. We were expected to engage them by that range if not a bit further. Max effective range (ballistic computer stopped working) was 4000 meters, but it was almost imposable to ID them at that range. Now all of this is terrain dependent if there is woods much shorter ranges, but I spent most of my time in Tanks in the desert so not much terrain for an armored vehicle to hide in. One other thing to remember tanks work in platoons and each tank had it sector to search so you are not searching 360 degrees, more like 100-120 (with overlap). When one of the guys with out magnification would see something that did not look right they would call it out and then one of the guys with magnification would take a second look at it. So what I am getting at is I would say that the 2500-3000 meters is the base line for spotting a vehicle in the open.
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I wasn't going to exceed the Twilight imposed maximum range of 3000 meters on the Encounter Ranges Chart but you do make a good argument.
I guess the best way to do it would be to introduce a new Encounter Range.
Very Open Range: this encompasses such terrain as the American Plains, The deserts of Iraq, The African Serengeti and large bodies of open water. Range is 1D10 X 500 meters. This encounter range extends to the horizon.
I have made adjustments to my previous rules posts to reflect this new maximum encounter range.