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Originally Posted by Olefin
Both countries still would have had them in reserve in Version 1 of the timeline - i.e. where the Cold War continued - they only got rid of them out of their reserves because of the draw down that occurred post 1989 with the reduction in force treaty
That draw down by the way is what would have given the Mexicans the ability to buy the AMX-VCI that they used in real life
So again its timeline
V1 timeline - M44's to buy for sure from both countries as well as M75's from Belguim
V2.2 timeline which includes the drawdown that occurred after the reduction in force treaty of 1989 - no longer in reserves and scrapped or sold off
So if you want a V1 Mexican Army they have M44's and possibly M75's that they could have bought for sure if the decision to do so was early 90's
If you want a V2.2 Mexican Army then they have AMX-VCI and older M109's and M108's and BDX available
The information on M44's and M75's in storage comes from the NATO 1989 OOB sites FYI - that show what NATO had on hand prior to the reduction of force treaty including reserve war stocks
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Olefin did we not have a similar discussion about the AMX-VCI on earlier posts on this thread, and where did that lead?
I don't know were the author of the 1989 NATO ORBAT got his data from, but it is from the 1980's and is a mix match of different sources. Mine comes from the International Institute of Strategic Studies (IISS) yearbooks for 1990-1991 and 1991-1992, and IISS data is compiled from government sources declared to the Treaty of Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE). All NATO and former Warsaw Pact countries were signatories of the CFE. The period 1990 to 1992 also marks the end of the Cold War and a point in history when all NATO and former Warsaw Pact countries retained their armed forces at Cold War levels, just before the post-Cold War draw down began.
In 1990 the M44 and M75 were out of service in Belgian, Italian and Spanish service. None were declared as held in reserve or even in storage by Belgium, Italy or Spain to the CFE. The M44 was completely replaced by the M109 in the 1980's, and the only NATO countries which still retained the M44 howitzer in service at this period was Greece and Turkey. The M59 which dates from the early 1950's was retired from frontline Belgian service in the early 1980's.