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Old 10-31-2017, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Olefin View Post
From a previous thread here - http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.p...y+Organization

NATO ORDER OF BATTLE - 1989

Andy Johnson’s References:
1. Almanac of Airpower 1989
2. Jane's Defense Weekly's published in the late 1980's
3. Military Technology’s World Defense Almanac 1988, 1989 and 1990
4. NATO Armies Today, Osprey Publishing 1987
5. NATO in Europe 1989
6. The British Army in the 1980’s, Osprey Publishing 1987
7. US Army Active Troop List, June 1988 and June 1989
8. US Army Field Manual 1-111 Aviation Brigades August 1990
9. US Army Green Book 1988, 1989, and 1990
10. US Army, British Army, Canadian Army, and assorted unit internet home pages

Note 1: Only the Combat and Combat Support units are listed. The Combat Service Support such as maintenance, medical, and transport were excluded.

References Added For Revised Edition:
Armies of NATO’s Central Front, David Isby and Charles Kamps, 1985
Jane’s Armour & Artillery, 1986-87 and 1992-93
ORBATs available at ORBAT.com
“Combined Arms,” GDW, Frank Chadwick, 1987
World Armies Today, John Keegan, 2nd Edition, 1983 (good for general organizational information)
IISS Military Balance 1989-90, 1990-91, 1991-92 (last is particularly useful, as it has initial CFE declarations)
USNI’s Combat Fleets of the World 1988/89 and 1990/91
Various Micro Mark army lists for some specialist units (for example, Gurkhas, Spanish Marines and Paras, Greek special forces, etc)
Jane’s NATO Handbook 1990-91 (OOB comes straight from IISS, but best source out there for holdings of older equipment)
John Baugher’s US Aircraft Encyclopedia was extremely useful for nations holding US aircraft.

Note 1: Belgium held significant quantities of older equipment in reserve or storage during the end of the 1980s, including 28 (or more) M108 105mm SP howitzers, 419 (IISS) or 554 (Jane’s) AMX-VCI tracked personnel carriers, 77 M-75 tracked APCs (may have still been in some engineering units), 25 M-41s, plus unknown numbers of unmodified M-47 gun tanks, M114 155mm towed howitzers, M59 155mm towed howitzers, M115 203mm towed howitzers, M44 155mm SP howitzers, and likely significant numbers of M101 105mm howitzers.

APC: 514 AIFV-B (including variants), 525 M113A1-B (including variants), 554 AMX-VCI (reserve? Phasing out), 43 BDX, 77 M-75

So that has the IISS versions you mentioned in the OOB - so it would support the M-75 still being in hand in 1989 but not necessarily the M-44's (as in unknown numbers)
Excluding IISS most of these references are from the 80's, and I think IISS is by far the most accurate. Olefin do you have the IISS Military Balance yearbooks for 1990-1991 and 1991-1992?

On page 59 1990-1991 yearbook it list the Belgian Army as having the following numbers....

Tanks
334x Leopard 1
Light Tanks
133x Scorpion
25x M41
Recce
133x Scimitar
IFV
514x AIFV-B
533x M113
266x Spartan
8x YPR-763
419x AMX-VCI
43x BDX
75x M75

For 1991-1992 which I consider more accurate as this is the year/s that Belgium and every other member of NATO and the former Warsaw Pact declared their real figures to CFE, on page 51 it list the Belgian Army has having the following numbers....

Tanks
334x Leopard 1
Light Tanks
133x Scorpion
25x M41
Recce
153x Scimitar
IFV
514x AIFV-B
525x M113
266x Spartan
510x AMX-VCI
43x BDX
75X M75

So yes it the M75 is still in service, I do apologise as I over looked it as I was in a hurry doing something else at the time. But with the M75 we have the same quandary as we had with the AMX-VCI and its an even older design.

Also Belgium has no M47 tanks, M114 155mm towed howitzers, M59 155mm towed howitzers, M115 203mm towed howitzers, M44 155mm SP howitzers, but it did still had 21x M101 105mm howitzers.

It also had 11x M110 SP 203mm howitzers, 41x M109A3 155mm SP howitzers, 127x M109A2 155mm SP howitzers, and 28x M108 105mm SP howitzers.
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